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Trump 'will definitely pull out of Paris climate change deal'
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Jan 31, 2017, 03:22 AM
I feel like we need a sub-forum just for Trump... I've bolded the bits for any TL:DR

Warning comes from the former head of the US President's transition team at the Environmental Protection Agency

[font=Indy Serif]A former climate change adviser to Donald Trump has said the US President will pull America out of the landmark Paris agreement and an executive order on the issue could come within “days”.
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Myron Ebell, who took charge of Mr Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) transition team, said the President was determined to undo policies pushed by Barack Obama to restrict greenhouse gas emissions.

He said the US would "clearly change its course on climate policy" under the new administration and claimed Mr Trump was "pretty clear that the problem or the crisis has been overblown and overstated".

“I expect Donald Trump to be very assiduous in keeping his promises, despite all of the flack he is going to get from his opponents,” he told a briefing in London.

“He could do it by executive order tomorrow, or he could wait and do it as part of a larger package. There are multiple ways and I have no idea of the timing.”


Mr Ebell, a long-standing climate sceptic, was employed by the Trump team last September to review the EPA and worked for the Republican billionaire until his inauguration on 20 January.

Mr Trump, who has previously called climate change a hoax invented by the Chinese, promised a raft of policies during his campaign including to undo Obama’s climate action plan and defund UN climate change work. 



The Paris agreement, successor to the Kyoto Protocols, aims to "stabilise greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system".

In November, two weeks after his election victory, Mr Trump said he had an "open mind" on the climate deal, which was drafted at the end of 2015 and signed on the 22 April 2016.

[font=Indy Serif]The agreement has 194 signatories, including the US.[/font]

[font=Indy Serif]Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...53676.html[/font]


Well fuckety-fuck. As someone who's kind of, y'know, bothered (I guess you could even say I'm triggered) by Climate Change, this is not good. The whole reason the Kyoto Protocol didn't work was because the two largest emitters of CO2, China and the USA, didn't sign it. 
As a result CO2 levels in the atmosphere have increased exponentially (of course this hasn't been helped by the deforestation going on elsewhere).

Yes, the climate has been changing since the dawn of time. But on average, the years are getting hotter - hotter than the previous hottest - and 5.5 GtC are added to the atmosphere each year, because it can't be absorbed nearly as fast as it's being emitted. 
We need to look forward to more sustainable ways of making energy so that we can give the atmosphere a 'break', so to speak. If entire nations can commit to renewable energy then maybe something will happen, but there's no point in all the little people pushing forward 1 step if the big one pushes it back by 2. 

I'm all for Trump calling for 'America first', but perhaps he's forgotten that there's only one Earth; one climate. 

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Jan 31, 2017, 04:24 AM
booy here we go again

Just impeach him already.
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(Jan 31, 2017, 04:38 AM)Preditor Wrote: [Image: iU18NhZ.jpg]

Hope you're not a climate change denier too..
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Jan 31, 2017, 05:05 AM
Somebody should do the same that have done to john kennedy, unfortunately that Trump its a bad person , like obama said , dont expect to much from someone who lived 70 years and did nothing good
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Jan 31, 2017, 05:09 AM
We're talking about a man who took up politics as a hobby at the age of 70. If you can't even trust the man to be serious on Twitter, then I don't see how the man can be trusted with the most powerful position in the world.
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(Jan 31, 2017, 05:05 AM)The Rock Wrote: Somebody should do the same that have done to john kennedy, unfortunately that Trump its a bad person , like obama said , dont expect to much from someone who lived 70 years and did nothing good
As great as thatwould be im pretty sure pence would take his spot..
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(Jan 31, 2017, 05:10 AM)Welker Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 05:05 AM)The Rock Wrote: Somebody should do the same that have done to john kennedy, unfortunately that Trump its a bad person , like obama said , dont expect to much from someone who lived 70 years and did nothing good
As great as thatwould be im pretty sure pence would take his spot..

2 sniper teams, take em both out.
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(Jan 31, 2017, 05:03 AM)Venom Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 04:38 AM)Preditor Wrote: [Image: iU18NhZ.jpg]

Hope you're not a climate change denier too..

No I'm not, it's just a meme.

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Look you can have your opinions on Trump as a president but it's nearly idiotic to say he's done nothing good. He's raised a multi-billion dollar corporation, and created hundreds, even thousands of jobs for people. You can correct me if I'm wrong but that's more than most of you talking shit have done.

https://www.snopes.com/trump-flies-sick-boy/ - He flew a sick, jewish boy to the hospital for medical treatment with his private jet.

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/...hropy.html - He's donated numerous times to charity and other fund-raising organizaitons.  

I can link more but those are just a few examples.
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(Jan 31, 2017, 05:37 AM)Preditor Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 05:03 AM)Venom Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 04:38 AM)Preditor Wrote: [Image: iU18NhZ.jpg]

Hope you're not a climate change denier too..

No I'm not, it's just a meme.

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Look you can have your opinions on Trump as a president but it's nearly idiotic to say he's done nothing good. He's raised a multi-billion dollar corporation, and created hundreds, even thousands of jobs for people. You can correct me if I'm wrong but that's more than most of you talking shit have done.

https://www.snopes.com/trump-flies-sick-boy/ - He flew a sick, jewish boy to the hospital for medical treatment with his private jet.

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/...hropy.html - He's donated numerous times to charity and other fund-raising organizaitons.  

I can link more but those are just a few examples.

he inherited the compady in which his dad built. He created jobs for others only to gain money himself. He has a long list of ripping people off, hard working americans in which he claims to "stand for" He's done more harm than good. I feel as if you're unable to " see further than your nose " If Trump coninues with his power trip it'll end fucking bad. How can you not see this!?

For the good stuff you've linked, you know what its called? Its called politics. He does it to convince people like you that hes a good guy when in reality hes the biggest villain out there.
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Jan 31, 2017, 05:54 AM
(Jan 31, 2017, 05:37 AM)Preditor Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 05:03 AM)Venom Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 04:38 AM)Preditor Wrote: [Image: iU18NhZ.jpg]

Hope you're not a climate change denier too..

No I'm not, it's just a meme.

____________________________

Look you can have your opinions on Trump as a president but it's nearly idiotic to say he's done nothing good. He's raised a multi-billion dollar corporation, and created hundreds, even thousands of jobs for people. You can correct me if I'm wrong but that's more than most of you talking shit have done.

https://www.snopes.com/trump-flies-sick-boy/ - He flew a sick, jewish boy to the hospital for medical treatment with his private jet.

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/...hropy.html - He's donated numerous times to charity and other fund-raising organizaitons.  

I can link more but those are just a few examples.

I never said he has done nothing good. However, I believe his negatives definitely outweigh his positives.
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Jan 31, 2017, 06:11 AM
(Jan 31, 2017, 05:45 AM)Decay Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 05:37 AM)Preditor Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 05:03 AM)Venom Wrote:
(Jan 31, 2017, 04:38 AM)Preditor Wrote: [Image: iU18NhZ.jpg]

Hope you're not a climate change denier too..

No I'm not, it's just a meme.

____________________________

Look you can have your opinions on Trump as a president but it's nearly idiotic to say he's done nothing good. He's raised a multi-billion dollar corporation, and created hundreds, even thousands of jobs for people. You can correct me if I'm wrong but that's more than most of you talking shit have done.

https://www.snopes.com/trump-flies-sick-boy/ - He flew a sick, jewish boy to the hospital for medical treatment with his private jet.

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/...hropy.html - He's donated numerous times to charity and other fund-raising organizaitons.  

I can link more but those are just a few examples.

he inherited the compady in which his dad built. He created jobs for others only to gain money himself. He has a long list of ripping people off, hard working americans in which he claims to "stand for" He's done more harm than good. I feel as if you're unable to " see further than your nose " If Trump coninues with his power trip it'll end fucking bad. How can you not see this!?

For the good stuff you've linked, you know what its called? Its called politics. He does it to convince people like you that hes a good guy when in reality hes the biggest villain out there.

He's stayed out of politics until recently, which was even already stated. More importantly he's not the anti-christ. Like seriously you act like he's going to blow up the moon. And he doesn't "claim" to stand for them, so far, like it or not, he's done everything he said he'd do. Which is something called honesty, which we lack in politics and it's also a key reason people voted him in the first place. 

More importantly I didn't know every good deed has to have some sort of hidden meaning behind it. Can't people just be nice? Why does that sound so hard to believe? Can he not be a good person too?
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Jan 31, 2017, 06:23 AM


OT: Despite my optimism on Trump, this sucks ass.
1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being —
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.
14 Anu, their son, could rival his fathers.
15 Anu, the son, equalled Anšar,
16 And Anu begat Nudimmud, his own equal.
17 Nudimmud was the champion among his fathers:
18 Profoundly discerning, wise, of robust strength;
19 Very much stronger than his father's begetter, Anšar
20 He had no rival among the gods, his brothers.
21 The divine brothers came together,
22 Their clamour got loud, throwing Tia-mat into a turmoil.
23 They jarred the nerves of Tia-mat,
24 And by their dancing they spread alarm in Anduruna.
25 Apsû did not diminish their clamour,
26 And Tia-mat was silent when confronted with them.
27 Their conduct was displeasing to her,
28 Yet though their behaviour was not good, she wished to spare them.
29 Thereupon Apsû, the begetter of the great gods,
30 Called Mummu, his vizier, and addressed him,
31 "Vizier Mummu, who gratifies my pleasure,
32 Come, let us go to Tia-mat!"
33 They went and sat, facing Tia-mat,
34 As they conferred about the gods, their sons.
35 Apsû opened his mouth
36 And addressed Tia-mat
37 "Their behaviour has become displeasing to me
38 And I cannot rest in the day-time or sleep at night.
39 I will destroy and break up their way of life
40 That silence may reign and we may sleep."
41 When Tia-mat heard this
42 She raged and cried out to her spouse,
43 She cried in distress, fuming within herself,
44 She grieved over the (plotted) evil,
45 "How can we destroy what we have given birth to?
46 Though their behaviour causes distress, let us tighten discipline graciously."
47 Mummu spoke up with counsel for Apsû—
48 (As from) a rebellious vizier was the counsel of his Mummu—
49 "Destroy, my father, that lawless way of life,
50 That you may rest in the day-time and sleep by night!"
51 Apsû was pleased with him, his face beamed
52 Because he had plotted evil against the gods, his sons.
53 Mummu put his arms around Apsû's neck,
54 He sat on his knees kissing him.
55 What they plotted in their gathering
56 Was reported to the gods, their sons.
57 The gods heard it and were frantic.
58 They were overcome with silence and sat quietly.
59 Ea, who excels in knowledge, the skilled and learned,
60 Ea, who knows everything, perceived their tricks.
61 He fashioned it and made it to be all-embracing,
62 He executed it skilfully as supreme—his pure incantation.
63 He recited it and set it on the waters,
64 He poured sleep upon him as he was slumbering deeply.
65 He put Apsû to slumber as he poured out sleep,
66 And Mummu, the counsellor, was breathless with agitation.
67 He split (Apsû's) sinews, ripped off his crown,
68 Carried away his aura and put it on himself.
69 He bound Apsû and killed him;
70 Mummu he confined and handled roughly.
71 He set his dwelling upon Apsû,
72 And laid hold on Mummu, keeping the nose-rope in his hand.
73 After Ea had bound and slain his enemies,
74 Had achieved victory over his foes,
75 He rested quietly in his chamber,
76 He called it Apsû, whose shrines he appointed.
77 Then he founded his living-quarters within it,
78 And Ea and Damkina, his wife, sat in splendour.
79 In the chamber of the destinies, the room of the archetypes,
80 The wisest of the wise, the sage of the gods, Be-l was conceived.
81 In Apsû was Marduk born,
82 In pure Apsû was Marduk born.
83 Ea his father begat him,
84 Damkina his mother bore him.
85 He sucked the breasts of goddesses,
86 A nurse reared him and filled him with terror.
87 His figure was well developed, the glance of his eyes was dazzling,
88 His growth was manly, he was mighty from the beginning.
89 Anu, his father's begetter, saw him,
90 He exulted and smiled; his heart filled with joy.
91 Anu rendered him perfect: his divinity was remarkable,
92 And he became very lofty, excelling them in his attributes.
93 His members were incomprehensibly wonderful,
94 Incapable of being grasped with the mind, hard even to look on.
95 Four were his eyes, four his ears,
96 Flame shot forth as he moved his lips.
97 His four ears grew large,
93 And his eyes likewise took in everything.
99 His figure was lofty and superior in comparison with the gods,
100 His limbs were surpassing, his nature was superior.
101 'Mari-utu, Mari-utu,
102 The Son, the Sun-god, the Sun-god of the gods.'
103 He was clothed with the aura of the Ten Gods, so exalted was his strength,
104 The Fifty Dreads were loaded upon him.
105 Anu formed and gave birth to the four winds,
106 He delivered them to him, "My son, let them whirl!"
107 He formed dust and set a hurricane to drive it,
108 He made a wave to bring consternation on Tia-mat.
109 Tia-mat was confounded; day and night she was frantic.
110 The gods took no rest, they . . . . . . .
111 In their minds they plotted evil,
112 And addressed their mother Tia-mat,
113 "When Apsû, your spouse, was killed,
114 You did not go at his side, but sat quietly.
115 The four dreadful winds have been fashioned
116 To throw you into confusion, and we cannot sleep.
117 You gave no thought to Apsû, your spouse,
113 Nor to Mummu, who is a prisoner. Now you sit alone.
119 Henceforth you will be in frantic consternation!
120 And as for us, who cannot rest, you do not love us!
121 Consider our burden, our eyes are hollow.
122 Break the immovable yoke that we may sleep.
123 Make battle, avenge them!
124 [ . . ] . . . . reduce to nothingness!
125 Tia-mat heard, the speech pleased her,
126 (She said,) "Let us make demons, [as you] have advised."
127 The gods assembled within her.
128 They conceived [evil] against the gods their begetters.
129 They . . . . . and took the side of Tia-mat,
130 Fiercely plotting, unresting by night and day,
131 Lusting for battle, raging, storming,
132 They set up a host to bring about conflict.
133 Mother H(ubur, who forms everything,
134 Supplied irresistible weapons, and gave birth to giant serpents.
135 They had sharp teeth, they were merciless . . . .
136 With poison instead of blood she filled their bodies.
137 She clothed the fearful monsters with dread,
138 She loaded them with an aura and made them godlike.
139 (She said,) "Let their onlooker feebly perish,
140 May they constantly leap forward and never retire."
141 She created the Hydra, the Dragon, the Hairy Hero
142 The Great Demon, the Savage Dog, and the Scorpion-man,
143 Fierce demons, the Fish-man, and the Bull-man,
144 Carriers of merciless weapons, fearless in the face of battle.
145 Her commands were tremendous, not to be resisted.
146 Altogether she made eleven of that kind.
147 Among the gods, her sons, whom she constituted her host,
148 She exalted Qingu, and magnified him among them.
149 The leadership of the army, the direction of the host,
150 The bearing of weapons, campaigning, the mobilization of conflict,
151 The chief executive power of battle, supreme command,
152 She entrusted to him and set him on a throne,
153 "I have cast the spell for you and exalted you in the host of the gods,
154 I have delivered to you the rule of all the gods.
155 You are indeed exalted, my spouse, you are renowned,
156 Let your commands prevail over all the Anunnaki."
157 She gave him the Tablet of Destinies and fastened it to his breast,
158 (Saying) "Your order may not be changed; let the utterance of your mouth be firm."
159 After Qingu was elevated and had acquired the power of Anuship,
160 He decreed the destinies for the gods, her sons:
161 "May the utterance of your mouths subdue the fire-god,
162 May your poison by its accumulation put down aggression."
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Jan 31, 2017, 07:05 AM
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He stayed out of politics? Do you honestly belive that? Look who he has been hanging around throughout his career. Politicians, and its weird that he wont release his tax returns don't you think? Because he says he stayed out of it, anyone not questioning that needs to learn how to think critically.

Politics are all about public apperances. sure he might've done some things because he wanted to be nice, but again i seriously doubt that and for good reasons.

I don't think he's gonna blow up the moon or whatever but politics are politics and shit is never what you think it is. He is afterall the worlds most powerfull man currently on a power trip. And that is fucking scary.

saying he's an honest person is just ignorant, he's been caught lying on multiple occations.
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(Jan 31, 2017, 07:05 AM)Decay Wrote: @Preditor

He stayed out of politics? Do you honestly belive that? Look who he has been hanging around throughout his career. Politicians, and its weird that he wont release his tax returns don't you think? Because he says he stayed out of it, anyone not questioning that needs to learn how to think critically.

Politics are all about public apperances. sure he might've done some things because he wanted to be nice, but again i seriously doubt that and for good reasons.

I don't think he's gonna blow up the moon or whatever but politics are politics and shit is never what you think it is. He is afterall the worlds most powerfull man currently on a power trip. And that is fucking scary.

saying he's an honest person is just ignorant, he's been caught lying on multiple occations.

There's checks and balances, everything he's doing now though is in his presidential power, and other presidents exercised it in the past. Though now that Trump is doing it, it's become super controversial though no one minded other presidents practicing it. Though you know, Hillary Clinton seems to fit the role of what you're describing a hell of a lot more than Trump if I may say personally. Hell she'll say anything. More importantly Trump said he'd release his tax returns if she released her emails, all of them that is.
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