[Noble]

He was a controversial figure: from one side, he was an anti-american dictator, from another he developed his country, improving welfare standards. Cuba, in fact, is the 40th state by human development index.
but i hope that, with his death, Cuba would start its democratic process, even if i think that a free market conversion process would have to be slow.
I think that Trump was wrong in rejoicing, as the Cold War ended in 1989, and the US has re-accepted (even if wrongly) Russia into the western world, why not do so with Cuba.
Those are my 2 cents on the issue.

Liberals say "He's a good guy, he trained doctors to be the best in the world!"

He sent those doctors to boiling cooking pots like Venezuela to spread Communism.

He's one of the dirtiest men on this Earth, or at least he was.

Anybody who imprisons millions, and murders hundreds of thousands, and calls for the death of America, has no respect for any self-respecting American, and/or individual.

1) not proven any point whatsoever
2) "Doctors to spread Communism"? and so, what should the poor Venezuelan people do? die of sickness because their doctors are communist?
You are saying that just because an 11.27 million population nation has communist leaders, and is a poor nation (10$ monthly salary, no nukes, shitty army, 2m from the US) is a threat that should be eliminated?

*cough* cuban missle crisis *cough*

That happened 50+ years ago and the nukes were supplied by the Soviet Union. I believe what franc is saying is that as of now with their current technology Cuba has no way of producing nukes on their own and is relatively not a threat to the United States. If anything US and Cuban relations have been improving since Raul Castro took over, but we'll have to see how that continues.

While I do respect Castro's ability to play the role of fighting against global imperialism (some of which he purposely stirred up and presented a skewed perspective) there's a reason that many of his people took their chances on an inner tube in the ocean. He oppressed, jailed, and killed his political opponents. He was by no stretch a "good guy", but I guess blanket statements are always the way to go.

[francysol3c]

He was a controversial figure: from one side, he was an anti-american dictator, from another he developed his country, improving welfare standards. Cuba, in fact, is the 40th state by human development index.
but i hope that, with his death, Cuba would start its democratic process, even if i think that a free market conversion process would have to be slow.
I think that Trump was wrong in rejoicing, as the Cold War ended in 1989, and the US has re-accepted (even if wrongly) Russia into the western world, why not do so with Cuba.
Those are my 2 cents on the issue.

Liberals say "He's a good guy, he trained doctors to be the best in the world!"

He sent those doctors to boiling cooking pots like Venezuela to spread Communism.

He's one of the dirtiest men on this Earth, or at least he was.

Anybody who imprisons millions, and murders hundreds of thousands, and calls for the death of America, has no respect for any self-respecting American, and/or individual.

1) not proven any point whatsoever
2) "Doctors to spread Communism"? and so, what should the poor Venezuelan people do? die of sickness because their doctors are communist?
You are saying that just because an 11.27 million population nation has communist leaders, and is a poor nation (10$ monthly salary, no nukes, shitty army, 2m from the US) is a threat that should be eliminated?

*cough* cuban missle crisis *cough*

That happened 50+ years ago and the nukes were supplied by the Soviet Union. I believe what franc is saying is that as of now with their current technology Cuba has no way of producing nukes on their own and is relatively not a threat to the United States. If anything US and Cuban relations have been improving since Raul Castro took over, but we'll have to see how that continues.

While I do respect Castro's ability to play the role of fighting against global imperialism (some of which he purposely stirred up and presented a skewed perspective) there's a reason that many of his people took their chances on an inner tube in the ocean. He oppressed, jailed, and killed his political opponents. He was by no stretch a "good guy", but I guess blanket statements are always the way to go.

my point as i would have liked to express it. thank you Noble.

[jarz]

How you guys support this man, a man who jailed millions and killed hundreds of thousands, but dispose of trump because he wants to secure our nation's borders, baffles me.

[Noble]

No where did I say that I support Fidel Castro. He was a horrible leader that did horrible things.

Try reading a little more thoroughly before responding again.

[jarz]

No where did I say that I support Fidel Castro. He was a horrible leader that did horrible things.

Try reading a little more thoroughly before responding again.

No where did I ever quote you.

[Noble]

No where did I say that I support Fidel Castro. He was a horrible leader that did horrible things.

Try reading a little more thoroughly before responding again.

No where did I ever quote you.

Franc and I are the only two to make a post after you on this thread where you've assumed liberals support Castro, and he's basically agreed to the points I've made. It's possible to respect someones abilities (ex: Castro's manipulation of America's world image) without liking or supporting that person. That's why I pointed out that your blanket statement is not true.

People and situations are not always binary.

[thefaketaco]

No where did I say that I support Fidel Castro. He was a horrible leader that did horrible things.

Try reading a little more thoroughly before responding again.

No where did I ever quote you.

Franc and I are the only two to make a post after you on this thread where you've assumed liberals support Castro, and he's basically agreed to the points I've made. It's possible to respect someones abilities (ex: Castro's manipulation of America's world image) without liking or supporting that person. That's why I pointed out that your blanket statement is not true.

People and situations are not always binary.

Should've expected this to happen. You're arguing against Jarz

[jarz]

No where did I say that I support Fidel Castro. He was a horrible leader that did horrible things.

Try reading a little more thoroughly before responding again.

No where did I ever quote you.

Franc and I are the only two to make a post after you on this thread where you've assumed liberals support Castro, and he's basically agreed to the points I've made. It's possible to respect someones abilities (ex: Castro's manipulation of America's world image) without liking or supporting that person. That's why I pointed out that your blanket statement is not true.

People and situations are not always binary.

It's no assumption. Liberals support Castro. They go as far as supporting him over Trump.

'you guys' referred to everybody who supports Castro: Liberals.

[Noble]

No where did I say that I support Fidel Castro. He was a horrible leader that did horrible things.

Try reading a little more thoroughly before responding again.

No where did I ever quote you.

Franc and I are the only two to make a post after you on this thread where you've assumed liberals support Castro, and he's basically agreed to the points I've made. It's possible to respect someones abilities (ex: Castro's manipulation of America's world image) without liking or supporting that person. That's why I pointed out that your blanket statement is not true.

People and situations are not always binary.

It's no assumption. Liberals support Castro. They go as far as supporting him over Trump.

'you guys' referred to everybody who supports Castro: Liberals.

I consider myself liberal and don't support Castro, every liberal friend I've spoken to on the subject does not support Castro. Liberals that have posted on this thread do not support Castro.

Repeating the same thing over and over despite myself and others telling you that your blanket statements are untrue isn't you stating your opinion or fact, it's simply you lying. 

To me it's honestly a shame seeing you acting like this Jarz, I remember how you used to conduct yourself back on FL before your meme stage and now your news subforum lurking. You were someone that I respected when you gave an opinion because you handled yourself appropriately on the forums and listened various viewpoints. While I still respect you as a friend I know that know you can act better than this as I've seen you do it in the past. Believe it or not it is possible to have an open and honest discussion with someone that has different political views from your own without the need of bashing or acting like an ass. This is one prime example of a topic that has been easily agreed upon by both sides yet you've seen it as a green light to attack those who you believe think differently from yourself.

Maybe for once you can actually be happy that most, if not all, of those that typically have a different opinion from yourself on LL actually agree with you on something.

[francysol3c]

@jarz
by what i said, i meant that even if, in any case, he was not an enlightened leader and by every mean a dictator, he still developed his country, doing the same if not less damage as its predecessor (Batista).
in any case, i'd prefer 10.000 times toupee man than him as my head of state.

[Mr.Sir]

Finally, he was a bitch.

[Admiral.]

A good dictator is better than a bad democracy