[Tomm]

Reported Players: [L²:RP] Nudelsalat im Panzer (STEAM_0:0:134230354) (@'Nudelsalat im Panzer')
Server: Rockford
Time: 2018-Sep-26 16:00
Summary: Posting on behalf of Bradley as he's having issues verifying his forum account.

To summarise, we were on our way to chop some wood on the outskirts of the city, we had a collision with these 2 players in the Lamborghini, breaking my car. I got out of my vehicle with a gun pointed and told them to get out and demanded compensation to pay for my broken car. My friend Tom got out of my car also with a woodcutters axe equipped and CLEARLY warned one of them that he will split his skull into 2. This player then pulls out a shotgun and just shoots me down and then proceeds to mug Tom after this scenario. I asked in OOC why he broke fear RP and all he said was 'You have 5 hours and I have 1800 I think I know what fear RP is."

This player has clearly broken the FearRP rule.
Evidence:

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[Nudel]

1. The woodcutters ax is located in the misc section of the inventory. It is not an item to put people under fearRP at least from my knowledge. I've never seen someone taken under fearRP by a woodcutters ax. If I am wrong with this point, staff can surely correct this.

2. You are clearly not looking at me whilst I take out my shotgun. Neither you or your friend with the pistol.

3. You were standing on a car, not directly next to me. You could not even hit me with the ax, therefore I am out of your striking range.

3. It is questionable why you force me out of my car with a weapon when you drove in the middle of the road. You did a mistake, not me. You ran right into my car just to get out and force me out with a weapon ready to kill me for doing absolutely nothing. There was no reason for you to take out a weapon to force me and "repair" your car which I am not even able to do on the spot as a "normal" dude.

4. Instead of taking out a single quote from me which I said in OOC, please show us the whole chat. There is no context in it if you throw in a single quote. Also, I would like to mention that your behavior in OOC was hostile against me permanently. You insulted me twice. I told you multiple times to drop it.

[Nudel]

This player then pulls out a shotgun and just shoots me down and then proceeds to mug Tom after this scenario.

Slowkiller did mug Tom, not me. Don't mix up things pal. There is no issue with it anyway.

[Tomm]

The numbered points refer to the points made by you respectively.

1. The woodcutter's axe is seen as a viable melee weapon and can be used to put people under FearRP. We asked staff before posting the PR to confirm this was correct. 

2/3. I would also like to add that I don't believe the FearRP rule is meant to be taken in such a literal manner. Looking in the persons general directions whilst being in range of attacking them with ease should suffice. If you're implying that me turning slightly to the left takes you out of FearRP then FearRP would be completely useless. Furthermore, I'm certain that I could have hit you very easily from on top of that car, especially as you move in to use the shotgun (before equipping it) and get even closer to me.

4. Now onto your fourth point which is basically just slander. The fact you're implying we ran into your car to purposely extort money out of you is ridiculous, you're clearly just grasping at straws. Also, again you're taking things too literally, just because Bradley said 'fix it' doesn't mean you have to do the impossible. With your 1800 hours play time surely you can improvise a RP to resolve the situation by paying us compensation.

5. Your final point about out of context evidence is meaningless as the evidence used doesn't incriminate you it simply emphasizes your tone throughout the whole situation which was pretty much you looking down on us because of playtime. I will admit to using informal language in OOC however, this was provoked by your tone. Finally, I would like to point out how dismissive you have been and still are being of this whole situation.

Note: If the mugging isn't relevant to the PR then simply disregard it.

[jess]

1. The woodcutters ax is located in the misc section of the inventory. It is not an item to put people under fearRP at least from my knowledge. I've never seen someone taken under fearRP by a woodcutters ax. If I am wrong with this point, staff can surely correct this.

I double checked with Doctor Internet, he said he's pretty sure that you can be placed under fearRP by this, since it can cause damage to you.

[Nudel]

1. The woodcutters ax is located in the misc section of the inventory. It is not an item to put people under fearRP at least from my knowledge. I've never seen someone taken under fearRP by a woodcutters ax. If I am wrong with this point, staff can surely correct this.

I double checked with Doctor Internet, he said he's pretty sure that you can be placed under fearRP by this, since it can cause damage to you.

Yup. Thanks for clearing that.

It just seems a bit odd to say "pretty sure".

[Nudel]

The numbered points refer to the points made by you respectively.

2/3. I would also like to add that I don't believe the FearRP rule is meant to be taken in such a literal manner. Looking in the persons general directions whilst being in range of attacking them with ease should suffice. If you're implying that me turning slightly to the left takes you out of FearRP then FearRP would be completely useless. Furthermore, I'm certain that I could have hit you very easily from on top of that car, especially as you move in to use the shotgun (before equipping it) and get even closer to me.

4. Now onto your fourth point which is basically just slander. The fact you're implying we ran into your car to purposely extort money out of you is ridiculous, you're clearly just grasping at straws. Also, again you're taking things too literally, just because Bradley said 'fix it' doesn't mean you have to do the impossible. With your 1800 hours play time surely you can improvise a RP to resolve the situation by paying us compensation.

5. Your final point about out of context evidence is meaningless as the evidence used doesn't incriminate you it simply emphasizes your tone throughout the whole situation which was pretty much you looking down on us because of playtime. I will admit to using informal language in OOC however, this was provoked by your tone. Finally, I would like to point out how dismissive you have been and still are being of this whole situation.

Note: If the mugging isn't relevant to the PR then simply disregard it.

2/3. You could not have hit me from your position. As you can see for yourself you've looked at your friend, roughly a second after I took out my shotgun. I can not responsible for a server delay which is always nearly a second. You haven't pointed the ax at me, so I've used the situation. Same with your friend and the pistol.

4. That is not what I am saying. My point is that you've over-reacted entirely. You've taken a person under gunpoint for doing absolutely nothing. You've caused a crash into slowkiller's vehicle (black-lambo). But you decide to take me (driver of the red-lambo) at gunpoint and want to force me to repair my car even tho I've done nothing at all.
I would like to take reference. There is a PR on you for a similar infraction. You've killed someone for simply ramming your vehicle (https://limelightgaming.net/forums/thread-23111.html).
In this case, you have rammed someone and still proceed to gunpoint an uninvolved person.

5. I doubt that you're in the position to call my points "meaningless".

[Tomm]

At the end of the day, I was looking in your direction with an axe in hand after saying I'll split your head in 2. You shouldn't be pulling out a shotgun just because I tilted my head to left slightly. In regards to putting someone 'unrelated' under gunpoint I'd like to present this: '[v2b] [L²:RP] Nudelsalat im ...BOT Today at 16:05 (OOC) If you point your weapon on someone else ofc I react, pal.' You were clearly his friend and you were placed under FearRP by an axe (not gunpoint) to keep the situation under control. Enough evidence has been presented and enough points have been made, I'm not going to make any further comments unless requested by staff.

Note: You're still avoiding and deflecting by playing the victim and referring to unrelated PR's. You're also continuing to look down on us as if you're some sort of higher up: "I told you multiple times to drop it.", "I doubt you're in the position to call my points 'meaningless'." The way you conduct yourself only emphasizes my points.

[Brynn]

Under review.

[Brynn]

After getting @"Supreme" to finally test the axe, it does do damage so therefore it would put you under fearRP. Granted, when that person with the pistol crouched, you couldn't see his gun, as he was hid below the car. However, the axe was within easy hitting distance of you, and you could clearly see it. Therefor FearRP being applied.

[Nudel]

I still believe that point 2./3. (post #7) is valid. Maybe he could've been able to hit me, but he was not looking at me.

Also, I still question why I have been taken under gunpoint anyway (point 4) but this is not related to the accused infraction of fearRP.

I have nothing else to add.

[Brynn]

I’ll go on build with another staff member when I get 5 and re-act the situation.

[Brynn]

After acting the situation out with @Overlewd, I can confirm that the axe would have been within hitting distance of Nudel. Overlewd would also be able to confirm this.

So therefore this player report will be approved and a 1 day ban will be applied to Nudel for FearRP. 

Approved.
[L²] Brynn