People who end up in prison also have a number of their rights taken away. +support.
(Nov 23, 2018, 07:12 AM)Toxic Wrote: [ -> ]People who end up in prison also have a number of their rights taken away. +support.
People who end up in prison also can’t communicate with anyone they please at any second of any day, but banned players can.
This analogy has been used over and over again yet that doesn’t make it any less flawed.
(Nov 23, 2018, 08:03 AM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov 23, 2018, 07:12 AM)Toxic Wrote: [ -> ]People who end up in prison also have a number of their rights taken away. +support.
People who end up in prison also can’t communicate with anyone they please at any second of any day, but banned players can.
This analogy has been used over and over again yet that doesn’t make it any less flawed.
People who end up in jail are normally there due to a bias in the legal system, where black people who use drugs are way more likely to end up in jail, combined with poor socio-economic circumstances which forces them to rely on overworked public defenders, who in some cases, end up spending
7 minutes for each case they have to represent.
Though, I'm sure it's a great analogy to use in this case.
(Nov 21, 2018, 07:55 PM)Montyfatcat Wrote: [ -> ]Well I would have thought it would have been clear that when their ban is lifted, so is their block on suggestions. It would be insane to act as otherwise
Okay, so for the near 8 months I was banned does that mean my opinion should've be invalidated? Even if I made fair and accurate points?
I have been permabanned from many servers, and usually for the most stupid of shit. Case and point with the other community, in which I was banned for simply protesting against the mayor on the server as a hobo.
Banning players from taking part in discussions because they are banned on the server is pretty fugging stupid tbh. Sometimes those people are actually able to explain serious problems in the server that need to be dealt with.
(Nov 23, 2018, 11:52 AM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ]-snip-
Thanks for the mention... I believe that even after being banned for 1y, then that becoming a perm, I attempted to have a positive impact on the community for a while such as providing development resources to contribs etc before losing interest (As most permed people would). I think this suggestion is bad. If someone abuses the privilege of voting, banned or not, then it can be dealt with case by case as it is at the moment.
(Nov 23, 2018, 02:23 PM)Project Wrote: [ -> ]So, if someone that is permed wants to show that he has reformed, there are other, far better ways to do it. They can start by helping people on H&S, by taking part in discussions, by creating suggestions and voicing his opinion in others.
I was going to write another paragraph, but I just need to focus on this.
They can take part in discussions / suggestions, and even create their own, but not vote on their own suggestions, or suggestions that they contribute to? That seems counter-intuitive.
(Nov 23, 2018, 11:52 AM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, so I did some work, and I've had a chat with Project already about this.
I went through the past 6 months of suggestions using a tool I wrote.
![[Image: 69941995c8def3b3a6d5adbd1215b36f.png]](https://i.gyazo.com/69941995c8def3b3a6d5adbd1215b36f.png)
I found 0 instances of vote abuse, troll voting, or anything else.
1: John Jong -supporting a teacher app despite being permanently banned. He is in no way able to see the person applying for teacher IG (to see the players abilities) as he is permanently banned.
![[Image: VgtNSFG.png]](https://i.imgur.com/VgtNSFG.png)
2: John Jong voting on a teacher app despite being permanently banned. Again, he is not able to see the players abilities in-game therefor just voting something based of the teacher-application post itself.
![[Image: s1ab1cP.png]](https://i.imgur.com/s1ab1cP.png)
3: Best case in my opinion. John Jong is -supporting a teacher app with the reason "who are you". The problem: He is suspended since ages. It makes no sense for him to vote with this reasoning as there is no chance of him actually knowing the person good.
![[Image: 3XfDjNy.png]](https://i.imgur.com/3XfDjNy.png)
Those are just some examples of a permanently banned player voting for something and affecting the community's server experience despite not being able to join the server anyway.
It does not affect them, so why should they be able to vote. They are banned for a reason.
(Nov 23, 2018, 02:50 PM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov 23, 2018, 02:23 PM)Project Wrote: [ -> ]So, if someone that is permed wants to show that he has reformed, there are other, far better ways to do it. They can start by helping people on H&S, by taking part in discussions, by creating suggestions and voicing his opinion in others.
I was going to write another paragraph, but I just need to focus on this.
They can take part in discussions / suggestions, and even create their own, but not vote on their own suggestions, or suggestions that they contribute to? That seems counter-intuitive.
As I said, it is a matter of principle in my opinion. If you are permed on the server, you shouldn't vote on what gets changed. You can make suggestions, but you shouldn't vote.
(Nov 23, 2018, 02:57 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov 23, 2018, 11:52 AM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, so I did some work, and I've had a chat with Project already about this.
I went through the past 6 months of suggestions using a tool I wrote.
I found 0 instances of vote abuse, troll voting, or anything else.
-snip-
It does not affect them, so why should they be able to vote. They are banned for a reason.
>"looked through suggestions"
>talks about teacher applications
Were these posts reported at the time, because once again, serious section of the forums. I'm looking through past reports and can't find them.
Furthermore, you're taking a single instance of someone breaking the rules, who was banned for breaking the forum rules already, and using it as an excuse to punish and restrict everyone.
![[Image: d0b376385d8d722b789a276dc481796d.png]](https://i.gyazo.com/d0b376385d8d722b789a276dc481796d.png)