(Jun 28, 2018, 09:25 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 27, 2018, 10:09 PM)Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 27, 2018, 09:09 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]You clearly don't understand how human beings work.
As a matter of fact, I do.
If you grow up in a violent world, with violent people around you - It is very likely that you also become a very violent person because as children look up to adults as role-models.
That's not how it works, but sure, that's essentially the gist of it. But I'll say it again: Having a twisted psyche does not excuse your behaviour, and it sure as hell doesn't make him a good person, nor a good inspiration/rolemodel or whatever. If he sought therapy - which he should have done - I'd be more open-minded about his bullshit, but he didn't. He didn't even show a single drop of remorse.
And if you're going to say hosting a charity event was done for a "pure act of reputation" why don't you say that to ever other fuckin' celebrity that's donated/hosted a charity event?
Who says I don't? I find it quite narcissistic to announce your self-proclaimed philantropy, whether it being 'spreading love' or donating to charity. If you truly believe in a cause, you'll keep quiet about your donations, and instead spread awareness of the cause in subject or otherwise help it; Not flaunt your wealth.
Yeah, having a fucked life doesn't excuse your behaviour but if you were born that way it's hard to change.
I'm not going to respond to you any more as I do recall that you were the same person who literally sad "Drug Dealers don't ruin peoples lives" - okay.
Perhaps if you stopped being ignorant over simple truths such as the little example you provided, people would actually enjoy debating or discussing with you.
Ignorance is bliss.
(Jun 28, 2018, 09:52 PM)Adam James Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 28, 2018, 09:25 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps if you guys took the chance to see the recording of a instagram live stream he did; you'd see the real X.
Wait...
That doesn't fit your agenda.
The only reason you're trying to defend him is because he's famous. Had he not been famous, you'd probably be agreeing with us. You know, you can like the music and not the man behind the music, right? Stop trying to justify his actions by saying "he said sorry<QUICKREFERENCES#1>!" I'm sure if this wasn't X we were talking about, you wouldn't give two shits and probably be glad that a domestic abuser, anti-homosexual person who also made rapist jokes ("Everyone who called me a domestic abuser, I'm finna domestically abuse your little sister's pussy.") nutcase died.
No I'm not, I think that he is fucked in the head and I sympathise with that. Yeah, he's done some fucked up shit but he's had a fucked up life. So yeah, if someone did the same shit at X; it would make them a horrible human being. But that doesn't validate a human beings death and it's clear that something is wrong with them. I don't think the way of helping a clear mentally ill person is going "oh yeah fuck them" it's about supporting them and helping them to prevent them from doing more fucked up shit. And I believe that yeah, he was pretty fuckin' unstable at times. But he got close to a point where he did start to get better.
(Jun 28, 2018, 10:02 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ]I think you’re just clouded by his success and don’t want to acknowledge the fact that a shitty person died and the only good thing he did (and this is debatable) was make music.
How about instead of preaching that he was sorry and not bad, you look at the literal mountains of evidence that shed some light on a fucked up, aggressive, bad tempered, poorly tact individual with only care to further himself
A very talented mentally ill person died, not a shitty person.
(Jun 29, 2018, 08:27 PM)Adam James Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 29, 2018, 05:56 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 28, 2018, 10:02 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ]I think you’re just clouded by his success and don’t want to acknowledge the fact that a shitty person died and the only good thing he did (and this is debatable) was make music.
How about instead of preaching that he was sorry and not bad, you look at the literal mountains of evidence that shed some light on a fucked up, aggressive, bad tempered, poorly tact individual with only care to further himself
A very talented mentally ill person died, not a shitty person.
whatever you say bud.
So you don't think the dude's mentally ill?
(Jun 29, 2018, 08:50 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 29, 2018, 08:27 PM)Adam James Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 29, 2018, 05:56 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]A very talented mentally ill person died, not a shitty person.
whatever you say bud.
So you don't think the dude's mentally ill?
Let me just point out the obvious parts that my sarcastic comment was directed at since you apparently cannot tell; they're in bold:
"A very
talented mentally ill person died,
not a shitty person."
So a dude who's mentally ill can't be creative...
(Jun 29, 2018, 10:10 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]
So a dude who's mentally ill can't be creative...
Ah, pulling the "he's mentally ill" card.
I never said he couldn't be creative simply because he's mentally ill; you're trying to victimize him now lmao. I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.
(Jun 29, 2018, 11:12 PM)Adam James Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 29, 2018, 10:10 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]
So a dude who's mentally ill can't be creative...
Ah, pulling the "he's mentally ill" card.
I never said he couldn't be creative simply because he's mentally ill; you're trying to victimize him now lmao. I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.
I'm not calling him a victim specifically, there probably were ways he could have prevent the mistakes he made. But if you're someone who's grown up around similar violence and language use and a pretty fucked up childhood in general; then you're going to be fucked when you're an adult. Especially if you grow up not being able to afford things such as counselling, doctors etc..
That shit's expensive.
To conclude this, my point is; the dude did some fucked up and horrible shit that has probably fucked up other peoples lives. But he has lived a pretty fucked childhood making him a pretty fucked adult. Even as an adult, he life has been messed up ( his girlfriend killing himself etc... ). And I don't think the horrible actions of a human being should validate to their brutal death. Even if he was a horrible person at times, but at other times he was person who realised he'd fucked his life. But in hope through his creativity he could inspire people to act differently (See video posted).
A'ight that's me done,
I cba to respond to this anymore as it's clear that we have different opinions and quite frankly; I don't really care about your opinion anymore.
Have a great day/night and if you need me hit me with a pm
-Quest.
(Jun 29, 2018, 11:44 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 29, 2018, 11:12 PM)Adam James Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 29, 2018, 10:10 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]
So a dude who's mentally ill can't be creative...
Ah, pulling the "he's mentally ill" card.
I never said he couldn't be creative simply because he's mentally ill; you're trying to victimize him now lmao. I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.
I'm not calling him a victim specifically, there probably were ways he could have prevent the mistakes he made. But if you're someone who's grown up around similar violence and language use and a pretty fucked up childhood in general; then you're going to be fucked when you're an adult. Especially if you grow up not being able to afford things such as counselling, doctors etc..
That shit's expensive.
To conclude this, my point is; the dude did some fucked up and horrible shit that has probably fucked up other peoples lives. But he has lived a pretty fucked childhood making him a pretty fucked adult. Even as an adult, he life has been messed up ( his girlfriend killing himself etc... ). And I don't think the horrible actions of a human being should validate to their brutal death. Even if he was a horrible person at times, but at other times he was person who realised he'd fucked his life. But in hope through his creativity he could inspire people to act differently (See video posted).
A'ight that's me done,
I cba to respond to this anymore as it's clear that we have different opinions and quite frankly; I don't really care about your opinion anymore.
Have a great day/night and if you need me hit me with a pm
-Quest.
Probably the most arrogant and ignorant thing I've heard on this forum. You initiated this discussion based on a super biased idealization of X, failed to answer simple questions regarding your opinion, and when you did they weren't even factually correct (both in regards to a general consensus to the ethics/morals surrounding the subject, and logical objective truths). You also resort to several classic logical fallacies, which makes debating with you extremely superficial and narrow.
You seriously need to revise your debating skills.
Here's some help:
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Perform+well+in+a+debate
It wasn't the point to 'debate' quite frankly, I fuckin' hate debating.
I was just expressing my opinion and I realised what's the point, we have different opinions and it's gonna stay that way.
(Jun 30, 2018, 04:15 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]
It wasn't the point to 'debate' quite frankly, I fuckin' hate debating.
I was just expressing my opinion and I realised what's the point, we have different opinions and it's gonna stay that way.
So if you hate debating why did you try to start up an argument out of nowhere with me on steam now about Xs death?