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(Feb 28, 2018, 01:31 AM)_Cole Wrote: [ -> ], to be completely honest the whole resignation was way over reacted in my opinion and could’ve been easily dealt with ingame, and in fact there wasn’t any bias involved in the situation.

The situation I refer to is the bias behavior as a whole. I have no idea what happened in game today/yesterday nor do I really care. The resignation states "following months of bullshit from some staff certian group of LL staff members"

Not just this one isolated incident.

(Feb 28, 2018, 01:31 AM)_Cole Wrote: [ -> ], to be completely honest the whole resignation was way over reacted in my opinion and could’ve been easily dealt with ingame, and in fact there wasn’t any bias involved in the situation.

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I would like to know what these "months" of bullshit were. The situation itself was overreacted on both sides IMO (The TS chatter was something I don't agree with being public), but at the end multiple staff members voted that the actions on the players' parts was allowed. It was inapropriate to just phase out from a situation that easily could have been dealt with IC.

I really feel the FUMUKU Bias is just getting out of hand on other people's part. The reason they're always seen together is because they're a close group of friends. It just so happens that one of them is a staff member, but in no way is that a definite answer to them being bias.

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Back in my day I had a blast banning my friends 

Having great power comes with great responsibility, if you can't use your position to do the right thing then you shouldn't have it

what's popular is not always what's right

its not as hard as it looks guys

im going back to bed now

I do not like beating around the bush. There is bias, and there will always be bias. However the decision to prevent  that bias, or acknowledge it is one not enough people take. When there is bias in play, you know this of yourself. You need to ensure that you either let another staff member deal with the situation, or disclose your bias.

Too often it's not disclosed in promotion threads for both teachers as well as staff members. Punishment and discipline for those who display bias repeatedly and failing to acknowledge it is severely lacking. While it's a delicate topic, at one point enough is enough.

(Feb 28, 2018, 04:02 AM)SourLemon Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb 28, 2018, 03:49 AM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ]I really feel the FUMUKU Bias is just getting out of hand on other people's part. The reason they're always seen together is because they're a close group of friends. It just so happens that one of them is a staff member, but in no way is that a definite answer to them being bias.

Sorry sir no brown nosing on this thread.

Just an opinion bb. No need to be rude ;)

Look I'm part of FUMUKU technically but Blackdog and Internet will tell you I still call them out on their shit and their mistakes. With the Rocket situation my PERSONAL opinion (not my professional one) is that it was way out of control but I think both sides contributed to it. For example I can see why Rocket got to the point he did because in the video evidence I've seen of the situation there's obviously 5 people who are or are closely linked to FUMUKU all arguing their case.

Do I think FUMUKU were in the wrong though? No I think the situation could have been resolved by using our HR team and I don't think the roleplay should have been stopped and equally I think the end result could have been different but I can understand Rockets reasons.

In regards to @s Overlewd is dead right. Basically we get an average at peak of 5-15 @s a minute. Now they don't pile up in a nice line like would be nice. They just blend with the rest of the chat at light speed. So chances are If I'm dealing with something (another @ usually) and a less important @ comes in that could be dealt with later or perhaps even a PR chances are I'll ignore it. Obviously as many of you have seen I've been going hard at it on my car dealer RP this week too and as such sometimes I have deals in doing whilst a couple of @s come in. If they're urgent I'll always TP but a lot of the time I make a note to investigate in 2 minutes once I've finished a transaction.

We are still human btw, just cos we're admins doesn't mean we have any training whatsoever past that first 5 mins on a roof with enzyme blowing you up.

I also have to agree in part with what  said prior. A lot (though not all) of the people complaining about bias are those who have breached the rules, and start yelling about bias due to this. Alternately, others seem to whitewash their own history with clan bias.

(Mar 5, 2018, 02:51 AM)Noble Wrote: [ -> ]That being said there have been staff (talking nearly 2 years ago) who were clan members/leaders that attempted to use their staff positions to position themselves for clan gains (not Blackdog or Fumuku). I've seen it first hand from a development standpoint. This was the reason ECSE's inner workings were kept under lock and key. Anyone who had access wasn't in a clan. That being said these individuals have retired from staff yet I've seen them return to the forums to voice their 'outrage' regarding #fumukubias or players that believe they've been affected by it when they attempted to gain off systems using their positions. It's the most hypocritical thing I've ever witnessed.

Hell I even see veteran members mirroring the actions of some of our more immature players. These are the individuals that should know better than that and have even less of an excuse. I left the team a while back over some internal frustrations but not once did I write a resignation post that bashed staff or came back to the forums to leave shitty comments. It reflects poorly not only on yourself but the staff team that trusted you. I care enough about the community to spend a lot of hours each month (80hrs last month) to help Limelight grow and develop and its demoralizing to see that sort of behavior.

Does bias exist? Yes, bias exists everywhere. We are all biased due to our personal opinions, experiences, thoughts and feelings. That's what makes us human, that's what our subjective judgement is based off of. Am I going to be more harsh on someone who calls a random community member a fag over calling me a fag? Yes, because I don't give a shit about me being insulted, but I do care about the community.

Does bias have an actionable effect within server, forum or game administration? From what I've seen, no. Cases are handled properly, with oversight from HR, other administrators and the rest of the team.

Some people should consider stepping up, and resolving their own issues, instead of claiming bias for every decision that effects them.

Just remembered something, I was talking about @ calls and how they get responded fast due to TS. One of the TS rules are this

Quote:-Do not use the TeamSpeak as another form of @ request.

So boys, how can you explain this one?

(Mar 5, 2018, 09:04 PM)IVNT Wrote: [ -> ]Just remembered something, I was talking about @ calls and how they get responded fast due to TS. One of the TS rules are this

Quote:-Do not use the TeamSpeak as another form of @ request.

So boys, how can you explain this one?

Easy, that rule is there to prevent people from jumping into channels and/or poking/messaging staff with their @ calls, because that would be annoying and also probably quite ineffective compared to making @ calls.

Why are you trying so hard to find problems in places where there aren't any?

(Mar 5, 2018, 09:21 PM)Overlewd Wrote: [ -> ]

(Mar 5, 2018, 09:04 PM)IVNT Wrote: [ -> ]Just remembered something, I was talking about @ calls and how they get responded fast due to TS. One of the TS rules are this

Quote:-Do not use the TeamSpeak as another form of @ request.

So boys, how can you explain this one?

Easy, that rule is there to prevent people from jumping into channels and/or poking/messaging staff with their @ calls, because that would be annoying and also probably quite ineffective compared to making @ calls.

Why are you trying so hard to find problems in places where there aren't any?

I'm not.

(Feb 24, 2018, 04:44 PM)IVNT Wrote: [ -> ]I want something done about this bias tbh, so do a lot of people. Also, to add onto this, something needs to be done about staff and their friends. They get treated better when they're talking over voice chat with them, @ calls will be responded to faster and what they want will be done quicker.

We send @ calls and have to wait atleast 5-10mins, people like Barkles do it a fair bit.

@ calls are the bane of my existence on this server (except when they're not, it's not always terrible)

My problem is that I've seen some @ calls not responded to at all while people who are in TS with staff will get their calls handled. Again, that's not necessarily bias (there are a bunch of reasons staff couldn't respond), but at least an acknowledgement of the @ call would be nice, even if it is just "hold on a bit, I have a bunch of stuff to take care of first". What annoys me is I feel like in the majority of cases the call is either responded to very quickly and cordially or not at all. That's my personal experience though, I don't know how others have fared.