(Jan 30, 2017, 03:13 AM)Lods Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 30, 2017, 02:40 AM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 30, 2017, 01:59 AM)Lods Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 29, 2017, 09:09 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ](No I'm not racist against Muslims, don't shoot that point.)
No need to be afraid, friend, Muslims aren't a race, simply a large group of people who have an outdated, barbaric and logically incoherent set of beliefs which are incompatible with a civilised society.
This is one of the stupidest and most ignorant comments I've seen. The majority of Muslim people aren't trying to chop off my head along with yours. Good luck having this sort of hate in the real world.
Really? Even if that is true, that it's not a majority, according to the Qur'an they are bad Muslims for not doing that.
Not to mention, did you even watch the video at the start of my first reply? Watch that and then reconsider your definition of the word majority.
Yes, my opinion may be unpopular but that doesn't make it ignorant. In fact, the only one who's really being ignorant here is you by completely rejecting facts.
Have you ever visited a Muslim majority country? I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say no. Same goes for a lot of people on this thread. If you had, you'd know that the majority of people you'd meet would be just as friendly as in any part of the world. At no point did they want to cut my head off because I didn't believe what they believed, or stone my mother because she wasn't covering herself in a hijab. You can hardly call the religion backwards when your generalistic and ignorant views are far more backwards.
If you want to create your opinion from what others say rather than forming your own views from actual experience, I don't think you're in any position to criticise religion; as that is pretty much the same thing. If you think Islam is the cause of all issues, take a step back and research the IRA, KKK, and all the other radical groups that have formed from different religions.
Religion is a topic of a lot of emotions and feelings. People will always disagree on this topic, and look at it from certain perspectives. While I understand most of these, there is no need to hate others for what they belief. Certain things countries do, and how faith, and religion is abused is not alright.
I've always been of the opinion that faith is a powerful tool, and it can be used for inspiration and motivation. But it's also commonly abused by those who seek power. This happens everywhere. However, I respect those who have a certain faith, as long as they do not force it upon others, or harm others because of it. And in the past all religions have done so, and even now they do.
This doesn't make it bad, people will always abuse whatever they can to gain power, money, and influence over others. But there are also a lot of people who regain hope, inspiration, motivation because of faith, those who might not be able to persist through certain events did because of it.
What Trump has done is not justifiable, it's shameless, but other countries with different religions have done so too, yet this does not make this any worse. If you look at all the harm western countries have done during invasions and occupations for close to no reason. Innocent lives where lost on both sides, different views on both sides. So we can either continue to call each other out, and hate, or you realize that we are all human, that there is no good and bad. Let everyone belief as they please, but when it gets to the point of forcing it on others, and hurting others intervention is needed. But it's not fair to judge an entire nation/country/religion on what a certain group did.
So everyone take a breather, calm down, and unwind. You have the right to belief as you please, but there are better ways to convey a message. And quite frankly, I am getting tired of these endless arguments and fights on the internet between two extremes.
I've been to both the States and Turkey. I've met kind, and amazing people from both of those countries online, as well as in person. We cannot generalize an entire nation by the action of some. What we should do as humans is stand up for each others rights, ensure that everyone belief as they please, but make sure that there is no abuse, that there are not those who will use faith as a weapon, to sieze power, to ensure that all humans will be granted their basic human rights. Strive for less hate, and a better world. We all have our feelings, and emotions, everyone is entitled to their opinions and thoughts, but go about it in a better way then just shouting.
(Jan 30, 2017, 12:29 PM)Trusted Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 30, 2017, 12:23 PM)Innovative Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 30, 2017, 12:20 PM)Trusted Wrote: [ -> ]Wow.... So much racism in this community, thats not cool.
Well, everyone's allowed an opinion.
Yes, but not racism. Or can I join the game and say to you "hey motherfu" because it's my opinion? You must clearly divide between opinion and racism.
You're in the news column, where sensitive subjects are discussed. If you're snowflake-ometer is reaching it's trigger point, you can find the door.
How is it not a valid opinion to dislike a cultish religion that beheads those who do not follow it's beliefs. It almost reminds me of the Nazism, in that the Nazism called for killing the jews because they were of an 'inferior race'. Islam calls for killing everybody that does not follow their God, which by the way openly fucked little girls. Where are the feminists complaining about that?
Racism is an opinion.
Many people in this world have prejudices, but it's our job as decent human beings to be able to speak our mind but not act upon certain things. An example can be me. I personally don't think being transgender is a thing, yet I don't go everywhere blurting it out or insulting others for being such and treat them poorly.
Treat eachother kindly as we all have discriminatory opinions and I would defend the right for someone to speak their mind even if it's something I don't agree with.
(Seriously be nice. This is a discussion, not an irate debate. State your opinion and have a kind, honest, and engaging argument with one and other.)
(Jan 30, 2017, 02:26 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 30, 2017, 09:10 AM)jarz Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 29, 2017, 11:35 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 29, 2017, 11:04 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 29, 2017, 10:28 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ]snip
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You're saying it's easy for a terrorist to slip into the US using the refugee program and other programs correct? No one has been killed by nationals of those 7 countries since 2001 in any major attacks. This isn't preventing any major terrorist attacks, only preventing people from surviving in their countries. Yes, it's true those countries are war torn. But isn't that why we have refugee programs? For citizens to flee from being bombed and executed? The US hasn't admitted people from those countries that have been a credible threat to national security. If anything, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, etc should be on that list considering they supplied the 9/11 attackers. Instead of having a blanket ban on those countries and suspending all refugees, along with dual citizens, we should keep screening people the way we have been. You can make it a bit tougher if you want, but a ban is no way to do it. We can also look at your map that you provided and see that the US has a higher terrorism score than Iran. So should other countries block US citizens from traveling due to us having more terrorism than Iran?
Most of the U.S. mass shootings are by domestic Islamic terrorists who are carrying out the Quran to the text
https://thereligionofpeace.com/ go have a read on the religion that wants to behead gay people. Peaceful.
Well, that first part is a flat out lie. The majority of mass shootings are not committed by Muslims. Was Dylann Roof a Muslim? Was James Holmes a Muslim? Or Micah Johnson, Adam Lanza? The list goes on.
Secondly, I'm sure a website named thereligionofpeace isn't going to be the SLIGHTEST bit biased. Getting your facts and views from there doesn't help your case.
Now, back to the OT:
Funny how Saudi Arabia has failed to make the list of banned countries yet 15 of the 19 9/11 hi-jackers were Saudi citizens. Now, why on earth would the US not want to upset Saudi Arabia? Or more worryingly, why doesn't Trump want to upset Saudi Arabia, it's not like he has business interests there at all...
https://thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/a...tacks.aspx Perhaps I shouldn't have said mass shootings. Terrorism in general. That statistic is almost as bad as the fact that black males (6.5 percent of the U.S. Population) commit 1/3 rapes, half of our homicides, and half of our burglaries.
It is a biased website. But it sure as hell isn't fake news. I don't see how getting information from there is bad, it's a database full of terrorism commited by a certain group that the MSM calls peaceful. Terrorism is black and white, look up ANY report on that website and I'm sure someone else has reported on it; I have tested it before.
Funny how the Obama administration put together the list Trump used to place the temporary hold.
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/oba...-tell-you/ CNN won't tell you stuff like that because they're Certainly Not News.
(Jan 31, 2017, 01:44 AM)jarz Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 30, 2017, 02:26 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 30, 2017, 09:10 AM)jarz Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 29, 2017, 11:35 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan 29, 2017, 11:04 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ]snip
You're saying it's easy for a terrorist to slip into the US using the refugee program and other programs correct? No one has been killed by nationals of those 7 countries since 2001 in any major attacks. This isn't preventing any major terrorist attacks, only preventing people from surviving in their countries. Yes, it's true those countries are war torn. But isn't that why we have refugee programs? For citizens to flee from being bombed and executed? The US hasn't admitted people from those countries that have been a credible threat to national security. If anything, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, etc should be on that list considering they supplied the 9/11 attackers. Instead of having a blanket ban on those countries and suspending all refugees, along with dual citizens, we should keep screening people the way we have been. You can make it a bit tougher if you want, but a ban is no way to do it. We can also look at your map that you provided and see that the US has a higher terrorism score than Iran. So should other countries block US citizens from traveling due to us having more terrorism than Iran?
Most of the U.S. mass shootings are by domestic Islamic terrorists who are carrying out the Quran to the text
https://thereligionofpeace.com/ go have a read on the religion that wants to behead gay people. Peaceful.
Well, that first part is a flat out lie. The majority of mass shootings are not committed by Muslims. Was Dylann Roof a Muslim? Was James Holmes a Muslim? Or Micah Johnson, Adam Lanza? The list goes on.
Secondly, I'm sure a website named thereligionofpeace isn't going to be the SLIGHTEST bit biased. Getting your facts and views from there doesn't help your case.
Now, back to the OT:
Funny how Saudi Arabia has failed to make the list of banned countries yet 15 of the 19 9/11 hi-jackers were Saudi citizens. Now, why on earth would the US not want to upset Saudi Arabia? Or more worryingly, why doesn't Trump want to upset Saudi Arabia, it's not like he has business interests there at all...
https://thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/a...tacks.aspx Perhaps I shouldn't have said mass shootings. Terrorism in general. That statistic is almost as bad as the fact that black males (6.5 percent of the U.S. Population) commit 1/3 rapes, half of our homicides, and half of our burglaries.
It is a biased website. But it sure as hell isn't fake news. I don't see how getting information from there is bad, it's a database full of terrorism commited by a certain group that the MSM calls peaceful. Terrorism is black and white, look up ANY report on that website and I'm sure someone else has reported on it; I have tested it before.
Funny how the Obama administration put together the list Trump used to place the temporary hold. https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/oba...-tell-you/ CNN won't tell you stuff like that because they're Certainly Not News.
Islamic extremism is currently the reason behind the majority of religious based terrorist attacks, yes, that is true. However, every mass shooting is designed to cause terror and every mass shooter, even an American born white male, is a terrorist.
Unless the website you've listed can source the claims of the terrorist attacks to official government reports of said incidents, I will take what is there with a pinch of salt. Now, there is a reason as to why radical Islamic extremism is currently at it's highest. Syria, Iraq, Libya etc. are all currently in or coming out of wars. There is little to no Police force therefore criminals (including terrorists) can operate without fear of repercussions. Do you honestly think crime levels wouldn't shoot up in any country if there were no Police to stop those looking to harm others? Even that website shows that it isn't Muslims vs. the world as there are countless attacks on mosques and towards other Muslims. They are terrorist groups who will do anything to assert their dominance and show their power.
It's one thing to put together a list, but to actually implement a travel ban is another. Also, I do not get my news from CNN, Fox, or any American-based news outlet. They are some of the most bias corporations in the world that make even the UK's Daily Mail look politically neutral.
BBC, Al-Jazeera and spattering of others are where I mainly source my news.
I'll start of by saying that I'm an atheist so I'm not fond of any religion as I feel the big majority of them has kept humanity away from progress and peace.
Islam is a religion that got flaws like any religion, sure. What I haven't seen here though is other religions being put under the spotlight.
It seems people have forgotten that Christianity did something called the uh... Crusades. It's also not long ago since Christians slaughtered native people in Africa, America and other places to spread the word of God. People have always found an excuse to kill other people who are different.
Sure, Islam has extremists like ISIS but Christianity have extremists like the KKK. ISIS is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.
Christians don't identify themselves with KKK and muslims don't identify themselves with ISIS. It's as simple as that.
Anyways, this is a news-thread, not a discussion-thread. We've had similar threads before and they've all gone to shit.
Everyone are allowed to have their own opinions, but I end being dissapointed when you start insulting people for their believes. Discussions are meant to be respectful, not insultive and generalizing.
If only people worried as much for war-veterans as they did about immigration, then something good would actually come out of this. As it stands, nothing good has come out of this.
Anyways...
Let's stay on topic from here on out.
Watch the video
Thats a example how that action affects people , people who didnt do anything , not everyone its a bad guy , sadlly as far i see , Americans hate most of Arab countrys
Trump divide the people.
And that is the reason he shouldnt be The President.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Inscribed into the Statue of Liberty.
Most of you seem to think he's actually trying to help the country? No... He's trying to make money, and he's very good at it actually. He loves stardom, publicity and money. Lots of money.
He's smarter than all of you lot. Accept that he's gonna fly America straight down the shitter, and he's gonna take Russia, China and North Korea with him. He wants to go down in history, so he's gonna YOLO the fuck out of his presidental career.
(Feb 23, 2017, 08:29 PM)Arach Wrote: [ -> ]Most of you seem to think he's actually trying to help the country? No... He's trying to make money, and he's very good at it actually. He loves stardom, publicity and money. Lots of money.
He's smarter than all of you lot. Accept that he's gonna fly America straight down the shitter, and he's gonna take Russia, China and North Korea with him. He wants to go down in history, so he's gonna YOLO the fuck out of his presidental career.
Glad we can come to you if we need to know about our president, you must be his neighbor.
Of course he's trying to make money, he's already said that you know. We kinda want him to help us get out of debt, and I'd rather have a successful billionaire give it a shot than some first time politician. Or a corrupt woman who's more sold than a drug addict on meth.
(Feb 23, 2017, 09:58 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ] (Feb 23, 2017, 08:29 PM)Arach Wrote: [ -> ]Most of you seem to think he's actually trying to help the country? No... He's trying to make money, and he's very good at it actually. He loves stardom, publicity and money. Lots of money.
He's smarter than all of you lot. Accept that he's gonna fly America straight down the shitter, and he's gonna take Russia, China and North Korea with him. He wants to go down in history, so he's gonna YOLO the fuck out of his presidental career.
Glad we can come to you if we need to know about our president, you must be his neighbor.
Of course he's trying to make money, he's already said that you know. We kinda want him to help us get out of debt, and I'd rather have a successful billionaire give it a shot than some first time politician. Or a corrupt woman who's more sold than a drug addict on meth.
Who am i to judge, i guess. I'm European, so take my reply with a grain of salt. Though, in my opinion, US should have voted Bernie.
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