(Aug 14, 2016, 10:43 PM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]We need untampered evidence to backup your claim.
Witnesses don't count and you need evidence to go along logs.
Can we see the logs from the time being? It should be crystal clear in there.
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Quote:3. Evidence is a requirement, do not request log checks, include solid evidence for your report or do not post one.
From the report instructions.
(Aug 14, 2016, 10:48 PM)Brynn Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:3. Evidence is a requirement, do not request log checks, include solid evidence for your report or do not post one.
From the report instructions.
Updated
(Aug 14, 2016, 10:50 PM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 14, 2016, 10:48 PM)Brynn Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:3. Evidence is a requirement, do not request log checks, include solid evidence for your report or do not post one.
From the report instructions.
Updated
Thank you.
My questions have yet to be answered
Please elaborate what this dispute was as I am not aware of it?
and
Had he returned with a different job, a different face, a different IC name, but kept the same steam name, would you have given him what you we're giving everyone else?
(Aug 14, 2016, 11:09 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]My questions have yet to be answered
Please elaborate what this dispute was as I am not aware of it?
and
Had he returned with a different job, a different face, a different IC name, but kept the same steam name, would you have given him what you we're giving everyone else?
Where you said "plzz give me money" in PM and I denied your entrance, after which you became pretty salty.
I wouldn't have given him the money if he changed his IC stuff. My giveaway was entirely OOC. Same goes for the Evoradio giveaway where everyone had to PM Enzyme on the forums about the db5. You also had to join LL steam group. How is this in any way IC?
Decided I'd take some time out of my day to assist with this case, since everyone else seems too busy to do it.
Markus takes his first items here:
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v4b1 [00:12:49] Markus (STEAM_0:1:36038228) picked up raptor - DicksOutForManiac (STEAM_0:1:33300739)
v4b1 [00:16:33] Markus (STEAM_0:1:36038228) picked up $200000 DicksOutForManiac (STEAM_0:1:33300739)
Here he collects his $50,000, under a different steam name.
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v4b1 [00:24:27] DicksOutForManiac (STEAM_0:1:33300739) gave Harambe (STEAM_0:1:36038228) $50000
And here, a third time. At this point he also tells the rock that 'this fucker falls for it every time. Although there is no record of him succeeding to acquire any items this time.
do you have anything to add to this case?
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v4b1 [00:26:18] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock I'm Markus
v4b1 [00:26:25] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock This fucker falls for it every time
v4b1 [00:26:31] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock this is my third time
appears to have received money from this third alias of Markus, at random, which he returned to Maniac.
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v4b1 [00:27:29] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) gave [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) $50000
v4b1 [00:27:41] [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) said: /dropmoney 50000
v4b1 [00:27:51] [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) said: .// He gave it to me for some reason, it's on the ground now.
v4b1 [00:27:53] DicksOutForManiac (STEAM_0:1:33300739) picked up $50000 [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820)
You're welcome that I took the time out of this day to add this input. I would have attempted to deal with this when I was on the server at the time had I not recommended that Maniac make a player report since it seemed more convenient.
(Aug 14, 2016, 11:15 PM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 14, 2016, 11:09 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]My questions have yet to be answered
Please elaborate what this dispute was as I am not aware of it?
and
Had he returned with a different job, a different face, a different IC name, but kept the same steam name, would you have given him what you we're giving everyone else?
Where you said "plzz give me money" in PM and I denied your entrance, after which you became pretty salty.
No entrance was denied, I was in my office when i sent the derpy "Can i haz monnies" and "well we can always use more bank money" then continued my RP and @ watch, nothing was said beyond that.
I wouldn't have given him the money if he changed his IC stuff. My giveaway was entirely OOC. Same goes for the Evoradio giveaway where everyone had to PM Enzyme on the forums about the db5. You also had to join LL steam group. How is this in any way IC?
The ECR can be considered in character as it talks about in character issues, the forum pm can be considered submiting your entry much like any contest would online, this can include the LL Steam Group.
In this case, you advertized in character what your intentions were, and now your saying you would refuse someone something like this for OOC reasons.
Again though im not seeing how anyone would be punished in this case, even more so since the items we're apparently given back.
Are there any final things to be said on this?
(Aug 14, 2016, 11:19 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 14, 2016, 11:15 PM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 14, 2016, 11:09 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]My questions have yet to be answered
Please elaborate what this dispute was as I am not aware of it?
and
Had he returned with a different job, a different face, a different IC name, but kept the same steam name, would you have given him what you we're giving everyone else?
Where you said "plzz give me money" in PM and I denied your entrance, after which you became pretty salty.
No entrance was denied, I was in my office when i sent the derpy "Can i haz monnies" and "well we can always use more bank money" then continued my RP and @ watch, nothing was said beyond that.
I wouldn't have given him the money if he changed his IC stuff. My giveaway was entirely OOC. Same goes for the Evoradio giveaway where everyone had to PM Enzyme on the forums about the db5. You also had to join LL steam group. How is this in any way IC?
The ECR can be considered in character as it talks about in character issues, the forum pm can be considered submiting your entry much like any contest would online, this can include the LL Steam Group.
In this case, you advertized in character what your intentions were, and now your saying you would refuse someone something like this for OOC reasons.
Again though im not seeing how anyone would be punished in this case, even more so since the items we're apparently given back.
Are there any final things to be said on this?
Markus lying in the courthouse:
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v4b1 [00:26:18] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock I'm Markus
v4b1 [00:26:25] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock This fucker falls for it every time
v4b1 [00:26:31] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock this is my third time
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I have never laughed at you or anybody in the room and said "Sorry" multiple times in a serious manner."
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v4b1 [00:27:29] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) gave [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) $50000
v4b1 [00:27:41] [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) said: /dropmoney 50000
v4b1 [00:27:51] [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) said: .// He gave it to me for some reason, it's on the ground now.
v4b1 [00:27:53] DicksOutForManiac (STEAM_0:1:33300739) picked up $50000 [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820)
At the time I told Rock that Maniac fell for it, I did not think I was breaking the rules
Obviously I would not laugh at anyone including myself rulebreaking.
I remembered saying sorry multiple times and I still believe I did so.
And yes, I gave back the money to the one who was supposed to get it.
(Aug 14, 2016, 11:22 PM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ]Markus lying in the courthouse:
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v4b1 [00:26:18] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock I'm Markus
v4b1 [00:26:25] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock This fucker falls for it every time
v4b1 [00:26:31] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) said: /pm rock this is my third time
"I have never laughed at you or anybody in the room and said "Sorry" multiple times in a serious manner."
These are pms, not to your face, nor does it show anything that could have been said via voice, there is still doubt this occured and unless you can provide evidence to show it, we cannot hit him up for it.
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v4b1 [00:27:29] jamie.jonson (STEAM_0:1:36038228) gave [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) $50000
v4b1 [00:27:41] [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) said: /dropmoney 50000
v4b1 [00:27:51] [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820) said: .// He gave it to me for some reason, it's on the ground now.
v4b1 [00:27:53] DicksOutForManiac (STEAM_0:1:33300739) picked up $50000 [L²:M] Daley (STEAM_0:0:45345820)
[font=open_sansregular, Arial, sans-serif]7.) Immediately after realizing I was in the wrong, I gave back the 50k.
[/font]I'm not seeing how that disproves his claim? It just shows him giving it to Daley, then daley giving it to you, there is little context there to show malicious intent, or intent at all.
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v4b1 [00:13:49] [L²][F.I]BlackDog (STEAM_0:1:17542113) @ Requests: Think we should stop maniacs givaway? Its disrupting serverwide RP
v4b1 [00:14:24] [L²][F.I]BlackDog (STEAM_0:1:17542113) @ Requests: Yea, but its basicly disrupting the servers RP if he keeps advertising it, as literaly everyone will drop what their doing
v4b1 [00:14:28] [L²][F.I]BlackDog (STEAM_0:1:17542113) @ Requests: and swarm to it
v4b1 [00:14:42] [L²][F.I]BlackDog (STEAM_0:1:17542113) @ Requests: Main reason we stopped allowing item drops ages ago
This is exactly what I meant with the personal dispute. You obviously seem salty after you knew you weren't getting any money. Why would you lie about something when now the evidence is out? This is why, again, I want a different administrator reviewing this case and call for a total shutdown of Blackdog's involvement in this thread.
ok so the rules that are similar to this are in place to protect a player from losing there stuff when trading etc
if your giving it away to random people who cares, plus you gave it to that player, hes not stealing, scamming etc
so i fail to see what rule was broken in that case
i dont see any evidence of the laughing at his face, a pm to another player does not fall under that statement
lods blackdog has not said you have lied or falsified evidence, he is pointing out that PM dont go against what markus has said due to the circumstances in which it was said (PM)
As Obay was phasing around at the time this happened, I want to call for him to respond with his observations.
(Aug 14, 2016, 11:59 PM)Temar Wrote: [ -> ]ok so the rules that are similar to this are in place to protect a player from losing there stuff when trading etc
if your giving it away to random people who cares, plus you gave it to that player, hes not stealing, scamming etc
so i fail to see what rule was broken in that case
i dont see any evidence of the laughing at his face, a pm to another player does not fall under that statement
lods blackdog has not said you have lied or falsified evidence, he is pointing out that PM dont go against what markus has said due to the circumstances in which it was said (PM)
My statement and rules were clear. 1 Item per player so there would be more for everyone. Markus knew this and intentionally avoided what I made clear. He hereby violated me from "being protected from losing stuff when trading".
I wasn't
JUST giving out items to random people. I was giving out
1 item per player. I don't understand how this violation of an act of generousity is considered "Not breaking the rules". Everyone is siding with someone who intentionally loopholes the system to receive more free goods than other players. How can anyone honestly support that.
Quote:"if your giving it away to random people who cares,"
Well clearly I do care and I want it to be seen as something that should be cared about.
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