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(Jul 11, 2016, 05:25 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:13 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:05 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]If you can provide more examples of when a gun has stopped a mass shooting compared the the number of mass shootings there have been then I'll start to reconsider my stance on the matter.

https://controversialtimes.com/issues/co...with-guns/

Ok, so the earliest one in that list by year was 1999.

Since 1999 there has been 31 school shootings. That's JUST schools and not including other mass shootings.

https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/1...columbine/

To be fair in most middle and elementary schools there are no police officers there or anyone else with guns to stop the mass shootings, and there are it will only be one officer.
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:41 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:25 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:13 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:05 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]If you can provide more examples of when a gun has stopped a mass shooting compared the the number of mass shootings there have been then I'll start to reconsider my stance on the matter.

https://controversialtimes.com/issues/co...with-guns/

Ok, so the earliest one in that list by year was 1999.

Since 1999 there has been 31 school shootings. That's JUST schools and not including other mass shootings.

https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/1...columbine/

To be fair in most middle and elementary schools there are no police officers there or anyone else with guns to stop the mass shootings, and there are it will only be one officer.

You should't need to have a police officer at every school out of fear that someone might shoot it up.

No other civilized country does this.
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:50 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:41 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:25 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:13 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:05 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]If you can provide more examples of when a gun has stopped a mass shooting compared the the number of mass shootings there have been then I'll start to reconsider my stance on the matter.

https://controversialtimes.com/issues/co...with-guns/

Ok, so the earliest one in that list by year was 1999.

Since 1999 there has been 31 school shootings. That's JUST schools and not including other mass shootings.

https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/1...columbine/

To be fair in most middle and elementary schools there are no police officers there or anyone else with guns to stop the mass shootings, and there are it will only be one officer.

You should't need to have a police officer at every school out of fear that someone might shoot it up.

No other civilized country does this.

I don't think they are there out of fear of mass shootings. Sure that might be one small part, but there are some issues that a detention or a strict talking to from a teacher wont solve. If there is a bad fight the kids might have to be taken in to the police station because it could be considered assault. There could also be a small drug problem in a school. I have seen students from my school have to be taken to the police station and it wasn't because they were going to do a mass shooting.

I did some research there are other countries with police officers in schools for example Canada.
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:56 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:50 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:41 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:25 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:13 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]https://controversialtimes.com/issues/co...with-guns/

Ok, so the earliest one in that list by year was 1999.

Since 1999 there has been 31 school shootings. That's JUST schools and not including other mass shootings.

https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/1...columbine/

To be fair in most middle and elementary schools there are no police officers there or anyone else with guns to stop the mass shootings, and there are it will only be one officer.

You should't need to have a police officer at every school out of fear that someone might shoot it up.

No other civilized country does this.

I don't think they are there out of fear of mass shootings. Sure that might be one small part, but there are some issues that a detention or a strict talking to from a teacher wont solve. If there is a bad fight the kids might have to be taken in to the police station because it could be considered assault. There could also be a small drug problem in a school. I have seen students from my school have to be taken to the police station and it wasn't because they were going to do a mass shooting.

I did some research there are other countries with police officers in schools for example Canada.

Only in Toronto, not nationwide.

Having a police officer in schools might be beneficial, but they don't need to be armed.
(Jul 11, 2016, 06:13 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:56 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:50 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:41 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:25 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so the earliest one in that list by year was 1999.

Since 1999 there has been 31 school shootings. That's JUST schools and not including other mass shootings.

https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/1...columbine/

To be fair in most middle and elementary schools there are no police officers there or anyone else with guns to stop the mass shootings, and there are it will only be one officer.

You should't need to have a police officer at every school out of fear that someone might shoot it up.

No other civilized country does this.

I don't think they are there out of fear of mass shootings. Sure that might be one small part, but there are some issues that a detention or a strict talking to from a teacher wont solve. If there is a bad fight the kids might have to be taken in to the police station because it could be considered assault. There could also be a small drug problem in a school. I have seen students from my school have to be taken to the police station and it wasn't because they were going to do a mass shooting.

I did some research there are other countries with police officers in schools for example Canada.

Only in Toronto, not nationwide.

Having a police officer in schools might be beneficial, but they don't need to be armed.

I can agree with that
You're guaranteed to have police officers in city schools where violence is all but certain on a daily basis; knives, guns, whatever it might be. As far as whether or not you think they should be armed, outside of school hours they're still police officers.

Different note: It's ironic how the government's federal Assault Weapon Ban, which ran from 1994 to 2004, did nothing to stop North Hollywood , Columbine or similar atrocities from happening.

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/the-a...shootings/

Tidbit on the AWB.
America should do what in my country do , its very hard to obtain or buy a gun , first you need to pass in medical test's , then on police test's and in end if you pass both then you are allowed to have guns , they should be restricted to +18 and the license should be very hard to get , thats what happen in a country when its easy to buy a gun like buy bottle of water , caos , violence , no control on people
So, one of the bigger reasons why their are more mass shootings in the US than other countries is due to the mixed population. (Not to sound cheesy) America is a "boiling pot" of culture and people. The problem with having all these cultures is some can effect others. For instance think of spices. Let's say African American Culture is "Pepper" and White Culture as "Salt". Now when making a certain dish (the US) we need to add different spices including salt and pepper. If we add too much salt, it overpowers the pepper and vice versa for pepper over salt. This can lead to conflict or imprints on witnesses to these confrontations. The US is known for mass shootings because they have the most diversre population on the planet. The "spices" of our country fight for dominance and during these conflicts of domestic violence, witnesses can be left with a bad taste of that culture. This can lead towards violent action such as Mass Shootings, to smaller situations like theft. Restricting firearms in the US at the moment will never happen, due to how entrenched firearm ownership rights are dug into our society as I said before. Laws, money, and morals will not stop a deranged person from killing another. We can't punish the many because of the few.
Guns are ideal for opportunists.
One pull of a trigger and bam, you've either seriously injured or killed someone.

A knife or a pretty big rock to bludgen with are in comparison riskier. Unless you're someone straight out of CS:GO, you're likely to not know how to kill someone cleanly with a knife: it'd take several stabs which offers the victim a chance to scream or retaliate.

That's why there's an issue with guns, in my opinion. I'll give another analogy:
You have an exam coming up. You're allowed one flashcard of notes, so you cram it with writing and bam, you've gotten an A+.
You have another exam, no notes allowed. The only way of getting notes in is by smuggling in a phone, writing it on your waterbottle, or other ways of cheating. And that's not only risky but it takes effort and skill to not get caught.

Firearms provide a simple solution to one's problems. I'm not saying all American people will resort to shooting the ice cream man for running out of 99s, but if someone has a fit of anger, decides to get high, is peer pressured into doing it, too drunk to see the implications, etc... then you've got someone who's dangerous.
Yes - there are gun laws which prohibit 'unstable' people from getting weapons. But it only takes a few pints, or some friends calling you a pussy, or being so overcome with anger to become unstable, even if it's only for a few minutes.

That's enough time to shoot someone dead.

I found this article by the New York Times about how mass shooters obtained their guns. It's pretty interesting that a lot of them got their guns legally, including the Orlando shooter.
"Mr. Mateen legally bought at least two guns, a federal official said. “He is not a prohibited person, so he can legally walk into a gun dealership and acquire and purchase firearms,” "

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015....html?_r=0
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:25 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:13 AM)Meme Lord Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:05 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]If you can provide more examples of when a gun has stopped a mass shooting compared the the number of mass shootings there have been then I'll start to reconsider my stance on the matter.

https://controversialtimes.com/issues/co...with-guns/

Ok, so the earliest one in that list by year was 1999.

Since 1999 there has been 31 school shootings. That's JUST schools and not including other mass shootings.

https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/1...columbine/

Let me know when firearms are permitted on a school zone with minors
(Jul 11, 2016, 05:05 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]If you can provide more examples of when a gun has stopped a mass shooting compared the the number of mass shootings there have been then I'll start to reconsider my stance on the matter.

https://thefederalist.com/2016/06/29/con...nightclub/

Happened 2 weeks ago.
(Jul 11, 2016, 06:13 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]Having a police officer in schools might be beneficial, but they don't need to be armed.

It's a cop. Cops have guns.

SRO's (School Resource Officers) get calls just like all other officers during their time on duty.
(Jul 11, 2016, 08:17 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]So, one of the bigger reasons why their are more mass shootings in the US than other countries is due to the mixed population. (Not to sound cheesy) America is a "boiling pot" of culture and people. The problem with having all these cultures is some can effect others. For instance think of spices. Let's say African American Culture is "Pepper" and White Culture as "Salt". Now when making a certain dish (the US) we need to add different spices including salt and pepper. If we add too much salt, it overpowers the pepper and vice versa for pepper over salt. This can lead to conflict or imprints on witnesses to these confrontations. The US is known for mass shootings because they have the most diversre population on the planet. The "spices" of our country fight for dominance and during these conflicts of domestic violence, witnesses can be left with a bad taste of that culture. This can lead towards violent action such as Mass Shootings, to smaller situations like theft. Restricting firearms in the US at the moment will never happen, due to how entrenched firearm ownership rights are dug into our society as I said before. Laws, money, and morals will not stop a deranged person from killing another. We can't punish the many because of the few.
lol what do you think Europe is then?
It's all about the weps man
I don't get it why Americans love their precious guns so much that they ignore the fact that they are the main reason of all these shootings
(Jul 11, 2016, 04:10 PM)Mr.Sir Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get it why Americans love their precious guns so much that they ignore the fact that they are the main reason of all these shootings
Americans are paying a big price for the right to own a firearm. I just wonder if it's worth all the lives that have been lost and will be lost in the future.
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