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(Jun 15, 2016, 04:01 PM)Realize Wrote: [ -> ]It's simple af. Don't sell handguns. Stop. It's time to stop.

Canada does gun laws the best. You need licenses with plenty of background checks, and knowledge of the weapon you purchase. If you want anything other than a weapon for hunting, be it a tactical rifle platform, or a pistol, its a second level license that is much harder to obtain. The only not licensed things you can have are bows. I have a crossbow with a 200lb draw weight. Its enough to kill whatever animal I point it at, all it takes is time.

I love having discussions about gun control, especially with people who don't live in the United States of America.

Firstly, I'd like to make note of what Mr. Sir had stated, along with his cute pie chart!



Population(s):
United States (66%) - 318,000,000
Germany (6%) - 80,000,000
France (5%) - 66,000,000
Australia (3%) - 23,000,000
Canada (3%) - 35,000,000
United Kingdom (3%) - 64,000,000
New Zealand (3%) - 4,500,000
Holland (2%) - 16,000,000
Switzerland (2%) - 8,000,000
Finland (2%) - 5,500,000
Belgium (2%) - 11,000,000

If you combine all these other countries that you listed, you have a total population of 313,000,000! That is millions less than the total population of the United States of America today. Now, let's compare the United States % of mass shootings with that of lets say, Finland. Finland having a population of 5,500,000 and having only 2% of mass shootings would mean that the United States as 33x more mass shootings, but has a population that is 57x the population of Finland. Let's take a moment to look at a more trust worthy source of data that shows mass shooting from 2013 and before and ranking them in order.



On the list here, you can see that the top 5 countries with the most shootings are ones you wouldn't likely expect. Norway having the highest because of the one shooting claiming 77 lives, an extremely large incident considering their small population. The top 5 countries have firearm regulation that is considered Restrictive. 

It's honestly quite funny to try and compare the United States to these countries, as if they were on an equal scale when in reality, the United States is by no means similar. Is Gun Control really the problem here? That is like saying Airplanes are to blame for 9/11. Airplanes don't kill twin towers. 

Recent incidents

Orlando Nightclub Shooting (2016) - 50 killed, 53 injured
Omar Mateen

San Bernardino Shooting (2015) - 14 killed, 21 injured.
Syed Rizwan Farook and Pakistan national Tashfeen Malik

Military Recruitment Shootings (2015) - 5 dead, 3 wounded.
Mohammod Youssef Abdulazeez

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We can go on and on and in the end, mass shootings are a result of terrorism or mental health instabilities. Some argue that some shootings are done out of spite or revenge, but in my opinion that is just another form of mental health issues. The definition of Sanity is, "the ability to think and behave in a normal and rational manner" and by no means is killing an innocent person rational. Every country has extremists and radicals, people who are misguided and people who are simply out for blood. 

What is the Second Amendment? 

Quote:A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

 

The second amendment is not just for us to have weapons to defend our property. It is a way for us to fight against a tyrannical government if one ever came into position. We believe in many freedoms that many countries do not share and because of this, we need to defend them. If someone ever came into being President and challenged certain rights of ours, we have the ability to withhold our freedoms if they ever decided to use force to make change. 

Having the second amendment to bear arms to defend our property is another wonderful thing. Many of you live in European countries which are sheltered from crime because you live in small towns and the crime rate is generally far below that of the United States. Why is crime higher in the United States? It's statistics. Our population is much higher than that of European countries and our diversity is far greater as well. This being said there is often large gaps in social economic classes and we live in a society where people resort to crime because they grew up into it. I live in the safest city in America, but live 15-30minutes away from some of the most dangerous cities in the world. Living in the safest city in America, I still proudly say I have an shotgun locked up if the time ever came where it was necessary to use it. It's there for peace of mind, to know that if someone ever broke through a window at night that we would be able to defend our family and our property. How can you give that peace of mind up? 

I believe Gun Control needs revision but it does not need to make any drastic changes. After all, weapons are there for us to use to protect ourselves. If you didn't know, pilots (some, not all) nowadays are equipped with handguns as well to prevent intrusion into the cockpits. Some private schools are equipped with a safe in their offices that have handguns in case someone steps on campus that is a threat. 

This being said, I think we need to stop resorting to discussion of gun control and instead focus on the real problem at hand and that is targeting the cause of these mass-shootings and threats.

Improving security precautions. Schools and events should be developed to be smarter and safer for the generations to come. It doesn't matter if it hasn't happened yet, we need to make places where large crowds gather as safe as possible. Hiring security companies to run security is a relatively low cost for peace of mind and a feeling of protection. Take for example the attacks on Paris. The bombing of the soccer stadium on that day wasn't possible due to the brave security officials who discovered the explosive vest at the entry and blocked him from entering. Think about how we can develop event security and school security to protect citizens not from just mass-shootings but simply any possible threats. 

This being said, mass-shootings and gun violence is little in comparison to motor vehicle deaths which account for over 30,000 deaths annually in the United States.

The United States has many more factors that play a significant role.

Race, Religion and Politics.

We are a target of hate from Islamic Extremists because of our role in the Middle-East and also Western idea(s) regarding our stance on many things, such as women's rights as well as our acceptance of different sexualities. Go to other Middle Eastern countries, Saudi Arabia for example, and you will see that they are against it and will kill you if you are found to be gay. Saudi Arabia is a well-known supporter of ISIS and terrorism in general, yet we are in bed with them financially. We also have some extremists who are apparent Christians, such as the Planned Parenthood shooter, yet we know that doctrine does not support such actions and luckily he only killed three people, a small count compared to the many hundreds caused by islamic radical related killings in France, the United States and even many Middle-Eastern countries.

We also are home of many different ethnic groups. In Europe the population is mostly made up of different groups of relatively the same skin color. Here in the United States we have an extremely large population of Latino, Asian, and Black individuals. Co-existing sometimes does not simply happen. We have some of the highest crime rates and the most gang activity than many parts of the world. Many mass-shootings are simply a result of gang-related conflicts, resulting in many injured or killed.

These factors are not present in other small European countries. You don't have the same level of hate and violence that we have here in the United States. Your country doesn't have the same history as ours.

At the end of the day, we'll always have guns. If you don't live in the US you shouldn't even be concerned about it. We'll manage and hopefully some day, our cities will become safer because of improvements in gun safety, law enforcement and society overall.

The fact that this says "Holland" and not "The Netherlands" triggers me.

(Jun 17, 2016, 11:45 AM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ]

The fact that this says "Holland" and not "The Netherlands" triggers me.

The fact that people are arguing for what's best in the US's gun control when they live thousands of miles away "triggers" me.
In reality none of the people who are posting here about the US and don't live in the US don't really know what is going on over here. People kill people, not guns. There is literally no point in taking away weapons for citizens especially when we need it for self defense. Basically, all the liberals who want us to remove our weapons are kind of saying "hey a terrorist shot up a place, we're making you defenseless now."
Also the 2nd amendment is a way for us to stop a tyrannical government.

The whole problem with this argument is those for guns are those that have grown up with them and their possession being legal. While those that are most likely against it are going to be those who live in areas that possession is either illegal or highly restricted.

If anything because it seem the US isn't going to be getting rid of guns anytime soon, increase the level of checks required on purchase as has mentioned with Canada.

(Jun 17, 2016, 01:22 PM)Adam James Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that people are arguing for what's best in the US's gun control when they live thousands of miles away "triggers" me.

Just because people live elsewhere than the U.S does not mean they should not speak their minds about our 
current situation. If they're being 'nosy' or involving themselves with affairs that is 'none of their business' 
then we as Americans are truly hypocrites.

I love how Nevy has only mentioned the apparent "terrorist" attacks but failed the mention the other 133 mass shootings in America and the last six months, aren't they a "recent incident" ?

Or are they not worthy enough to be mentioned due to it doesn't fit your outlook or your point ?

(Jun 15, 2016, 03:29 PM)Decay Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 15, 2016, 10:55 AM)Mr.Sir Wrote: [ -> ]Fuck guns, the only purpose of them is to hurt people, just remove them.

Dosen't matter if all the worlds guns just dissapeard, people would still find a way to kill eachothers. Guns do not kill people. People kill people. However I do see where you are comming from.

Stronger gun control is needed in the US there is no way around it no more, the " I LIKE MY GUNS BECAUSE SECOND AMENDMENT" is the most stupid and idiotic argument one can bring up, yes its an amendment, but it was written before the time of automatic assault rifles and semi automatic handguns.

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(Jun 17, 2016, 11:45 AM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ]

The fact that this says "Holland" and not "The Netherlands" triggers me.

(Jun 18, 2016, 12:51 PM)Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I love how Nevy has only mentioned the apparent "terrorist" attacks but failed the mention the other 133 mass shootings in America and the last six months, aren't they a "recent incident" ?

Or are they not worthy enough to be mentioned due to it doesn't fit your outlook or your point ?

A mass shooting is a shooting where more than 3 people are classified as 'Injured'

the supposed mass shootings you see in statistics are more related to gang-related shootings or a psychotic person committing murder

And no, those aren't worthy to be mentioned because there are too many to list and there is also no way to stop either. Gangbangers dont buy their guns legally but thanks mr. European man for pointing that out

But in reality, no one is concerned about a crazy guy running into an event and shooting people or a gang member shooting up a nightclub. Terrorists are the real threat. Premeditated murder in the masses is their goal. Charlie Hebdo shootings prove they are willing to kill those that oppose their religion. Pulse nightclub a statement against homosexuality. Paris attacks a message to the West. 

Those guns were totally to blame! /s
Whether it is a gun, a knife or a suicide vest, they're going to kill people. We need to improve security and increase event security. If more people were armed at these places, less casualties would've been possible

(Jun 19, 2016, 08:31 PM)Nevy Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 18, 2016, 12:51 PM)Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I love how Nevy has only mentioned the apparent "terrorist" attacks but failed the mention the other 133 mass shootings in America and the last six months, aren't they a "recent incident" ?

Or are they not worthy enough to be mentioned due to it doesn't fit your outlook or your point ?

A mass shooting is a shooting where more than 3 people are classified as 'Injured'

the supposed mass shootings you see in statistics are more related to gang-related shootings or a psychotic person committing murder

And no, those aren't worthy to be mentioned because there are too many to list and there is also no way to stop either. Gangbangers dont buy their guns legally but thanks mr. European man for pointing that out

But in reality, no one is concerned about a crazy guy running into an event and shooting people or a gang member shooting up a nightclub. Terrorists are the real threat. Premeditated murder in the masses is their goal. Charlie Hebdo shootings prove they are willing to kill those that oppose their religion. Pulse nightclub a statement against homosexuality. Paris attacks a message to the West. 

Those guns were totally to blame! /s
Whether it is a gun, a knife or a suicide vest, they're going to kill people. We need to improve security and increase event security. If more people were armed at these places, less casualties would've been possibleWhether it is a gun, a knife or a suicide vest, they're going to kill people. We need to improve security and increase event security. If more people were armed at these places, less casualties would've been possible

Quote:Those guns were totally to blame! /s

Whether it is a gun, a knife or a suicide vest, they're going to kill people. We need to improve security and increase event security. If more people were armed at these places, less casualties would've been possible

Thats already happened here, its been doubled security on all events etc.
A couple of years ago we only needed a few security guards on bigger events.
Now there are police officers patrolling.

Blame the terrorists. The Wests answer to everything, if they are not at a terrorist label them as one anyway if they ain't the right religion, colour or name.

Typical shit