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RE: Admin Bias - Doctor Internet - Feb 26, 2018
(Feb 26, 2018, 09:32 AM)IVNT Wrote:(Feb 25, 2018, 06:35 PM)Gungranny Wrote:(Feb 25, 2018, 09:41 AM)IVNT Wrote:-snip-(Feb 25, 2018, 01:39 AM)Welker Wrote: -snip--snip-
The amount of people who have alerted HR about Blackdog being bias is way too many to account for. If so many people have reported it, it warrants an investigation rightly.
How many is "way too many to account for"?
RE: Admin Bias - Bunny_ - Feb 26, 2018
The amount of likes you received posting your accusations tells me that it might only be your personal experience with staffmembers and probably not the way everyone sees it.
RE: Admin Bias - Project - Feb 26, 2018
(Feb 25, 2018, 09:41 AM)IVNT Wrote:(Feb 25, 2018, 01:39 AM)Welker Wrote: -snip-
Yeah, i've posted things before where no hidden posts are made. If I was to post a PR on a FUMUKU member, the hidden posts would rise and no doubt the PR would be dealt with by Blackdog so his clan members get minimum punishments. @Enzyme Can we see something done about clan member bias with staff? Something needs to be.
A staff member can correct me on this but I am pretty sure that a while back someone had said there is a policy in place not allowing involved parties (or associated parties in this case) to conclude a PR. A staff member may advocate on support of their clan members but they can't decide upon. Isn't that a thing? @Staff
RE: Admin Bias - Dan - Feb 26, 2018
I am a victim to #fumukubias
RE: Admin Bias - Agorith - Feb 26, 2018
(Feb 26, 2018, 09:32 AM)IVNT Wrote:(Feb 25, 2018, 06:35 PM)Gungranny Wrote:(Feb 25, 2018, 09:41 AM)IVNT Wrote:(Feb 25, 2018, 01:39 AM)Welker Wrote: Bias behavior has been damaging Limelight's community for quite some time now and it is by no means an easy fix but white washing it does nothing to aid it. Player reports and clan decisions are in particular deeply rooted with bias decision making by administrative personal. Player reports by/of clan members being snatched by the clan leaders, administrators going out of their way to get certain player reports seemingly because they do not like the person reported or being reported.
Rules being made up, actions being compared with real life examples even when the actions are conflicting with rules are all strong examples of this. There seems to be an extreme lack of transparency when it comes to this sort of thing and I can see why people would think nothing is being done about it, I subscribe to this notion usually, especially when it frequently happens in even recent times. You know who I am talking about.
Administrators going to extremes to defend their friends in player reports via hidden posts is another great example of this. Something to consider.
Yeah, i've posted things before where no hidden posts are made. If I was to post a PR on a FUMUKU member, the hidden posts would rise and no doubt the PR would be dealt with by Blackdog so his clan members get minimum punishments. @Enzyme Can we see something done about clan member bias with staff? Something needs to be.
How do you know he is being bias about the situation? BD does a good bit of PR’s and some of them don’t get approved because they’re IC matters. Unless you have any evidence from these hidden posts, I don’t think it warrants an investigation.
I think I know HR good enough now that they’ll put more effort into a case with better evidence. A coincidence is not much to go off.
The amount of people who have alerted HR about Blackdog being bias is way too many to account for. If so many people have reported it, it warrants an investigation rightly.
And how many of those reports will be utterly useless, you figure? I figure about majority of them.
I'm pretty sure considering the things I've learned from the staff team here on LL, BD's valid, with evidence supported cases if there are any will have been dealt with internally, as it should.
In terms of the hidden posts on PR's; There is inherently nothing wrong with this, aslong as BD's comments are bringing something to the table, aiding the case.
BD does not hold more power than any other administrator, let alone the superior ranks.
If he were to be so obvious, I highly doubt it would just be ignored by the team.
RE: Admin Bias - BlackDog - Feb 26, 2018
(Feb 26, 2018, 09:32 AM)IVNT Wrote: The amount of people who have alerted HR about Blackdog being bias is way too many to account for. If so many people have reported it, it warrants an investigation rightly.
The number of reports of people is not what matters, but the quality of the reports themselves and what they provide.
Much like how I enforce the servers rules, no amount of people screaming at me that a player did a thing wrong will make me rule on them unless actual evidence of malicious intent can be shown to prove what they claim.
RE: Admin Bias - richie - Feb 27, 2018
Don't wanna start anything but Rocket just resigned and mentioned bias in the staff team himself. What is that to say?
RE: Admin Bias - Soviethooves - Feb 27, 2018
(Feb 27, 2018, 08:58 PM)IVNT Wrote: Don't wanna start anything but Rocket just resigned and mentioned bias in the staff team himself. What is that to say?
Nothing really as he didn't detail anything and didn't give any evidence for HR to look into it seems. For all we know it's complete bs and he just wanted an excuse to get out. I think something DID happen, but where is the evidence? Just saying "Bias!" from a bunch of people isn't a reason to check anything.
RE: Admin Bias - Noble - Feb 27, 2018
(Feb 27, 2018, 09:12 PM)Gungranny Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 08:58 PM)IVNT Wrote: Don't wanna start anything but Rocket just resigned and mentioned bias in the staff team himself. What is that to say?
Nothing really as he didn't detail anything and didn't give any evidence for HR to look into it seems. For all we know it's complete bs and he just wanted an excuse to get out. I think something DID happen, but where is the evidence? Just saying "Bias!" from a bunch of people isn't a reason to check anything.
There's a recording of the event, doesn't say anything to what's been mentioned.
RE: Admin Bias - richie - Feb 27, 2018
(Feb 27, 2018, 09:17 PM)Noble Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 09:12 PM)Gungranny Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 08:58 PM)IVNT Wrote: Don't wanna start anything but Rocket just resigned and mentioned bias in the staff team himself. What is that to say?
Nothing really as he didn't detail anything and didn't give any evidence for HR to look into it seems. For all we know it's complete bs and he just wanted an excuse to get out. I think something DID happen, but where is the evidence? Just saying "Bias!" from a bunch of people isn't a reason to check anything.
There's a recording of the event, doesn't say anything to what's been mentioned.
jesus i only said what he said god calm it
RE: Admin Bias - richie - Feb 27, 2018
(Feb 26, 2018, 12:49 PM)Luvbread Wrote: The amount of likes you received posting your accusations tells me that it might only be your personal experience with staffmembers and probably not the way everyone sees it.
did I say it was the way everyone sees it?
RE: Admin Bias - Jokhah - Feb 27, 2018
People have friends. Staff aren't an exception to this. However staff still tend to do their job correctly regardless of who's involved. When I have an issue with an FI member, I go talk to Blackdog about it. If there is anything to be done, he does it, regardless of the friendship.
That being said, people who tend to be on the unfavorable outcome side of sits are usually the ones claiming biased behavior. If you feel like the person is biased, make a video and submit it. Make sure it records what you say, and if it doesn't use text. Then submit that to HR or the Abuse section, whichever flavor you prefer.
I'm not saying bias doesn't happen, but more often its simply an emotional response to an unexpected and unfavorable outcome that coincidentally involves friends or associates to the responding staff member. That doesn't guarantee them any safety when it comes to a ruling, only that they'll probably get yelled at via steam after in addition to whatever punishment they receive.
RE: Admin Bias - Soviethooves - Feb 27, 2018
(Feb 27, 2018, 09:24 PM)IVNT Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 09:17 PM)Noble Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 09:12 PM)Gungranny Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 08:58 PM)IVNT Wrote: Don't wanna start anything but Rocket just resigned and mentioned bias in the staff team himself. What is that to say?
Nothing really as he didn't detail anything and didn't give any evidence for HR to look into it seems. For all we know it's complete bs and he just wanted an excuse to get out. I think something DID happen, but where is the evidence? Just saying "Bias!" from a bunch of people isn't a reason to check anything.
There's a recording of the event, doesn't say anything to what's been mentioned.
jesus i only said what he said god calm it
I think you need to chill. I simply stated the truth. You can't expect HR to make a case without evidence to the claim.
RE: Admin Bias - richie - Feb 27, 2018
(Feb 27, 2018, 10:12 PM)Gungranny Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 09:24 PM)IVNT Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 09:17 PM)Noble Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 09:12 PM)Gungranny Wrote:(Feb 27, 2018, 08:58 PM)IVNT Wrote: Don't wanna start anything but Rocket just resigned and mentioned bias in the staff team himself. What is that to say?
Nothing really as he didn't detail anything and didn't give any evidence for HR to look into it seems. For all we know it's complete bs and he just wanted an excuse to get out. I think something DID happen, but where is the evidence? Just saying "Bias!" from a bunch of people isn't a reason to check anything.
There's a recording of the event, doesn't say anything to what's been mentioned.
jesus i only said what he said god calm it
I think you need to chill. I simply stated the truth. You can't expect HR to make a case without evidence to the claim.
xd ok. what i believe is what i do so.
RE: Admin Bias - Welker - Feb 28, 2018
When a member of staff resigns for "following months of bullshit from some staff certian group of LL staff members, having being tired of them and their bullshit and biased behavoir" it begs to question the true extent the accused bias and how bad it is behind closed doors, the bias some claim to be non-existent.
A member of staff essentially resigning over this does not bode well. A true shame that this has been allowed to get to the extent of members who have been here since the beginning deciding to up and leave because of it. It's disappointing that this is not the first and sadly won't be the last.