(Nov 19, 2017, 06:49 AM)Jokhah Wrote: @"Faustin"

Sad to say but from my limited experience, your claim about RP reason is 100% false.  As staff and players alike have explained to me, NO RP REASON REQUIRED TO RAID, except job title.  They don't have to scout you, they don't have to know anything is inside, and the RP Reasoning rule does not apply to them.  The exact response was "He is a criminal job, that's all the reason he needs." and "Its been this way since day one, if you don't like it then you can leave."  Which let me tell you, is terrible for the health and welfare of this community.  It isolates players and the community just pushes them to leave because they don't like that person, because they said something that the community doesn't agree with.  Toxic as hell, but that is the way it is.  Don't believe me, just look at anything I've said anywhere involving this community.  Generally you'll find that people are quick to tell me to shut up, but fall short on actually having a solution to anything.  They'd rather not hear you complain about it, then to confront the issue.

(Nov 19, 2017, 03:52 AM)Jokhah Wrote: Heavy -Support.

The current rules are tailored in such a fashion that job title = rp reason to do whatever you want.

Incorrect? You had one bad situation and now you believe this is real. It isn't and it won't be for a long time.

Knowing someone's job title without being told = meta.

Correct, unless you have a RP reason of knowing (Affiliation, Realistic items to know, word of mouth, etc.)

Criminal does not require any actual reason to raid other than "lel I'm a criminal", that is to say that the criminal requires no restriction on raiding an owned door simply because it's owned.

Read my above post.

At this point, forcing more RP restrictions on the door owner, forcing him to make his RP look a special way that is completely opinion driven, is bullshit.  Base owners already have to make the bases pretty fucking easy to raid.  Restrictions like "No doomforts, no firing ports, 2x2 phx access into new room areas.

It isn't opinion based. If a thug wants a base, he can choose between building up a nice residential base at Suburbs (Accompanied with walls that fit a residential area IRL) or say Industrial (Where high walls, cameras, and clutter are common). It's based on real life examples. The above example I made, you don't see that in your normal suburb in the US. That looks more like someone set that up before a battle broke out in his back yard. They also don't have that many restrictions if they think smart: Don't be an asshole, make your base fair, don't make mazes.

Why further restrict the defenders when the attackers are basically without restriction?

Attackers do have restrictions as they need a proper reason to actually attack, not just a job title. Not to mention if they DO have a reason, their job has to be right, their motives need to be ok, and their way of entering must fall within the rules. All I'm asking in this suggestion is to make bases look realistic to the fitting (Which apparently is already a rule if I'm not mistaken) area in which they operate.

You're a Corleone? Cool, Corleones are sophisticated, upper class gangsters. Make a mansion with built in defenses and some nice decorations to fit your RP (With whatever props you have left).

You're one of the Anarchists who steals cars? Nice, setup a chop shop in a warehouse with tools and balconies for shooting positions that look realistically supported and go do your RP!

(Nov 19, 2017, 03:36 PM)Markus Wrote: I think what we need is a way to keep criminals from moving back into the same house when NLR/Jail Timer is down, right after being arrested/killed in it. We need a rule that keeps them out of the area for a lengthened period.

(Nov 19, 2017, 07:58 PM)Klinex Wrote: i think everyone should take gang RP build examples from @monk, @Memeboisxd and @Memeimrich.

That's how builds should be done (espeically the mesa apartments one)