Sep 20, 2019, 01:36 AM
Sep 20, 2019, 08:20 AM
(Sep 20, 2019, 01:36 AM)Lewwings77 Wrote: [ -> ]Why is this even a discussion? Letting players choose/vote for staff will lead to nothing but a counter-productive popularity contest. lol
The same could be said about teachers
Sep 20, 2019, 11:41 AM
(Sep 20, 2019, 08:20 AM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 01:36 AM)Lewwings77 Wrote: [ -> ]Why is this even a discussion? Letting players choose/vote for staff will lead to nothing but a counter-productive popularity contest. lol
The same could be said about teachers
Then you're implying we should remove public votes for teacher?
Sep 20, 2019, 04:45 PM
(Sep 20, 2019, 11:41 AM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 08:20 AM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 01:36 AM)Lewwings77 Wrote: [ -> ]Why is this even a discussion? Letting players choose/vote for staff will lead to nothing but a counter-productive popularity contest. lol
The same could be said about teachers
Then you're implying we should remove public votes for teacher?
I am, yes.
Sep 20, 2019, 05:00 PM
(Sep 20, 2019, 04:45 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 11:41 AM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 08:20 AM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]The same could be said about teachers
Then you're implying we should remove public votes for teacher?
I am, yes.
I am pretty sure we made them public because people complained about the "role model" role of sorts should be decided as a community.
Sep 20, 2019, 05:36 PM
(Sep 19, 2019, 10:56 PM)Noble Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 19, 2019, 09:26 PM)Rayts5 Wrote: [ -> ]There is no problem with Jagex giving their employees moderator powers. The moderators are not roaming the world to ban misbehaving players, that is handled using their systems. Besides, the odds of a moderator in the game abusing their powers is very low, as you have a lot more at risk as opposed to being a staff member on a gameserver. By abusing powers, you would literally risk your entire career.
Although, I would still make staff be the ones to choose new staff members, reason being that they in many cases have some deeper insight into moderating etc.
Except that is exactly what has happened at Jagex:https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/mod-...ldschool=1
And not even just once. This one was bad enough that police had to be brought in:https://www.pcgamer.com/jagex-moderator-...pe-player/
That is true, although it is exactly what I said: The odds of them doing it is low, because they are taking a massive risk. I can ensure Mod Reach there and Mod Jed (who also did some stuff) is completely unhireable now. People even joked about Jed fleeing to Argentina, because ironically it would not have been a stupid decision to run away from the law.
Sep 20, 2019, 06:24 PM
Sep 20, 2019, 06:43 PM
(Sep 20, 2019, 05:00 PM)Dick Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 04:45 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 11:41 AM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ]Then you're implying we should remove public votes for teacher?
I am, yes.
I am pretty sure we made them public because people complained about the "role model" role of sorts should be decided as a community.
Surely staff would be consider “role models” more than teachers?
Sep 20, 2019, 06:56 PM
(Sep 20, 2019, 06:43 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 05:00 PM)Dick Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 04:45 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]I am, yes.
I am pretty sure we made them public because people complained about the "role model" role of sorts should be decided as a community.
Surely staff would be consider “role models” more than teachers?
They are....but they can FORCEFULLY remove someone from the server.
Sep 20, 2019, 07:41 PM
(Sep 20, 2019, 06:56 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 06:43 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 05:00 PM)Dick Wrote: [ -> ]I am pretty sure we made them public because people complained about the "role model" role of sorts should be decided as a community.
Surely staff would be consider “role models” more than teachers?
They are....but they can FORCEFULLY remove someone from the server.
How is that relevant?
Sep 20, 2019, 10:55 PM
(Sep 20, 2019, 07:41 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 06:56 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 06:43 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]Surely staff would be consider “role models” more than teachers?
They are....but they can FORCEFULLY remove someone from the server.
How is that relevant?
Meaning I can't Perm Puffitee again but Doctor Internet can.
Sep 21, 2019, 02:42 AM
(Sep 20, 2019, 07:41 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 06:56 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 06:43 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]Surely staff would be consider “role models” more than teachers?
They are....but they can FORCEFULLY remove someone from the server.
How is that relevant?
Do you really think it’s a good idea to have the community appoint people that can forcefully remove players, compared to what we have right now? That being, right now admins and HR members who are skilled in having these powers vote for responsible players to become staff? IMO, I’d rather have people that are trusted with those serious powers to be the sole voters on more staff. If you don’t like their choice, you could always find a reason WHY they’re bad as staff and send it to HR.
That seems pretty relevant to me
Sep 21, 2019, 12:00 PM
(Sep 21, 2019, 02:42 AM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 07:41 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 06:56 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ]They are....but they can FORCEFULLY remove someone from the server.
How is that relevant?
Do you really think it’s a good idea to have the community appoint people that can forcefully remove players, compared to what we have right now? That being, right now admins and HR members who are skilled in having these powers vote for responsible players to become staff? IMO, I’d rather have people that are trusted with those serious powers to be the sole voters on more staff. If you don’t like their choice, you could always find a reason WHY they’re bad as staff and send it to HR.
That seems pretty relevant to me
No I don’t think it’s a good idea, but if you were to read my posts you’d realise I’m saying we shouldn’t vote on teachers, NOT we should vote on staff
Sep 21, 2019, 05:43 PM
(Sep 21, 2019, 12:00 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 21, 2019, 02:42 AM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ](Sep 20, 2019, 07:41 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]How is that relevant?
Do you really think it’s a good idea to have the community appoint people that can forcefully remove players, compared to what we have right now? That being, right now admins and HR members who are skilled in having these powers vote for responsible players to become staff? IMO, I’d rather have people that are trusted with those serious powers to be the sole voters on more staff. If you don’t like their choice, you could always find a reason WHY they’re bad as staff and send it to HR.
That seems pretty relevant to me
No I don’t think it’s a good idea, but if you were to read my posts you’d realise I’m saying we shouldn’t vote on teachers, NOT we should vote on staff
Ahh my bad. Then I still disagree with your argument. Although we don’t impact the final choice a lot, it’s another way for staff and teachers to see if someone is good enough for the team. If it was just based on staff vote, they wouldn’t have as many teachers