If this were to be implemented i think donators should be stripped of their reduced jailtimes. If its so cool and realistic it should also be 30 minutes for yourself. The "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" argument is a huge cop-out (no pun intended) since at least 50% of the time the 'crime' is extremely minor, a bug or due to lag. Do you really want to be interupted from your RP and spend 30 minutes in jail because you experienced a lag spike and ran over an officer who didnt look before crossing the street? Do you really want to hold of your clanRP for 30 minutes because one of your members drove 8 miles too fast and gets arrested by a 'corrupt cop'? Using @ is not going to help you either since 'all arrests are IC'.
Imagine being on the receiving end of that and ask yourself if that would be fun for you to experience. Im pretty sure it would alienate a huge part of the playerbase.
(Dec 13, 2017, 08:43 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ]If this were to be implemented i think donators should be stripped of their reduced jailtimes. If its so cool and realistic it should also be 30 minutes for yourself. The "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" argument is a huge cop-out (no pun intended) since at least 50% of the time the 'crime' is extremely minor, a bug or due to lag. Do you really want to be interupted from your RP and spend 30 minutes in jail because you experienced a lag spike and ran over an officer who didnt look before crossing the street? Do you really want to hold of your clanRP for 30 minutes because one of your members drove 8 miles too fast and gets arrested by a 'corrupt cop'? Using @ is not going to help you either since 'all arrests are IC'.
Imagine being on the receiving end of that and ask yourself if that would be fun for you to experience. Im pretty sure it would alienate a huge part of the playerbase.
Too bad the suggestion about whitelisting the police force was
approved; but won't be implemented until
2035.
(Dec 13, 2017, 08:50 PM)Wesley Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec 13, 2017, 08:43 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ]If this were to be implemented i think donators should be stripped of their reduced jailtimes. If its so cool and realistic it should also be 30 minutes for yourself. The "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" argument is a huge cop-out (no pun intended) since at least 50% of the time the 'crime' is extremely minor, a bug or due to lag. Do you really want to be interupted from your RP and spend 30 minutes in jail because you experienced a lag spike and ran over an officer who didnt look before crossing the street? Do you really want to hold of your clanRP for 30 minutes because one of your members drove 8 miles too fast and gets arrested by a 'corrupt cop'? Using @ is not going to help you either since 'all arrests are IC'.
Imagine being on the receiving end of that and ask yourself if that would be fun for you to experience. Im pretty sure it would alienate a huge part of the playerbase.
Too bad the suggestion about whitelisting the police force was approved; but won't be implemented until 2035.
>implying limelight will last more than 2 years
(Dec 13, 2017, 08:50 PM)Wesley Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec 13, 2017, 08:43 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ]If this were to be implemented i think donators should be stripped of their reduced jailtimes. If its so cool and realistic it should also be 30 minutes for yourself. The "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" argument is a huge cop-out (no pun intended) since at least 50% of the time the 'crime' is extremely minor, a bug or due to lag. Do you really want to be interupted from your RP and spend 30 minutes in jail because you experienced a lag spike and ran over an officer who didnt look before crossing the street? Do you really want to hold of your clanRP for 30 minutes because one of your members drove 8 miles too fast and gets arrested by a 'corrupt cop'? Using @ is not going to help you either since 'all arrests are IC'.
Imagine being on the receiving end of that and ask yourself if that would be fun for you to experience. Im pretty sure it would alienate a huge part of the playerbase.
Too bad the suggestion about whitelisting the police force was approved; but won't be implemented until 2035.
Whitelisting wont help you at all. Only thing it will do is create and elitist part of the playergroup who can enforce their will on others.
People who want the policeforce whitelisted always envision themselves being on said list. Ofcourse will it be much more fun when you have a policeforce where only you, a few friends and other experienced players can play on! But will LL be as much fun to play on when the policeforce is locked out for you? Imagine being a new player and having to clock at least 150 hours before you have a chance of becoming a policemember. I can imagine a lot of players not even going to bother and visit the abundance of other communities where they are trusted with police acces.
I wouldnt whitelist anything, but if you are going to whitelist something just stick at whitelisting the sergeant and the president.
(Dec 13, 2017, 10:55 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec 13, 2017, 08:50 PM)Wesley Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec 13, 2017, 08:43 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ]If this were to be implemented i think donators should be stripped of their reduced jailtimes. If its so cool and realistic it should also be 30 minutes for yourself. The "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" argument is a huge cop-out (no pun intended) since at least 50% of the time the 'crime' is extremely minor, a bug or due to lag. Do you really want to be interupted from your RP and spend 30 minutes in jail because you experienced a lag spike and ran over an officer who didnt look before crossing the street? Do you really want to hold of your clanRP for 30 minutes because one of your members drove 8 miles too fast and gets arrested by a 'corrupt cop'? Using @ is not going to help you either since 'all arrests are IC'.
Imagine being on the receiving end of that and ask yourself if that would be fun for you to experience. Im pretty sure it would alienate a huge part of the playerbase.
Too bad the suggestion about whitelisting the police force was approved; but won't be implemented until 2035.
Whitelisting wont help you at all. Only thing it will do is create and elitist part of the playergroup who can enforce their will on others.
People who want the policeforce whitelisted always envision themselves being on said list. Ofcourse will it be much more fun when you have a policeforce where only you, a few friends and other experienced players can play on! But will LL be as much fun to play on when the policeforce is locked out for you? Imagine being a new player and having to clock at least 150 hours before you have a chance of becoming a policemember. I can imagine a lot of players not even going to bother and visit the abundance of other communities where they are trusted with police acces.
I wouldnt whitelist anything, but if you are going to whitelist something just stick at whitelisting the sergeant and the president.
So then why don't we just get a cadet job and structured PD? No whitelisting. The only thing you have to do is be the Cadet Job for a certain amount of hours with limited gear before you gain access to other PD Jobs. If we were to have this accompanied with a proper CoC, certain ranks could approve players to be given access to other Police Jobs. The higher ranked the job, the higher rank the person has to be to approve you.
Also, whitelisting doesn't mean a group of elitist will be able to force their will on others. That already happens with the government now. What's so bad about having a trained (Or at the least an actually smart) PD instead of mindless control freaks (Ie: Me)? Not to mention, no one said anything about a 150 hour cap. That never works, so why will it here?
(Dec 13, 2017, 11:12 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec 13, 2017, 10:55 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec 13, 2017, 08:50 PM)Wesley Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec 13, 2017, 08:43 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ]If this were to be implemented i think donators should be stripped of their reduced jailtimes. If its so cool and realistic it should also be 30 minutes for yourself. The "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" argument is a huge cop-out (no pun intended) since at least 50% of the time the 'crime' is extremely minor, a bug or due to lag. Do you really want to be interupted from your RP and spend 30 minutes in jail because you experienced a lag spike and ran over an officer who didnt look before crossing the street? Do you really want to hold of your clanRP for 30 minutes because one of your members drove 8 miles too fast and gets arrested by a 'corrupt cop'? Using @ is not going to help you either since 'all arrests are IC'.
Imagine being on the receiving end of that and ask yourself if that would be fun for you to experience. Im pretty sure it would alienate a huge part of the playerbase.
Too bad the suggestion about whitelisting the police force was approved; but won't be implemented until 2035.
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*Snipped, quotes are in my reply
'So then why don't we just get a cadet job and structured PD? No whitelisting. The only thing you have to do is be the Cadet Job for a certain amount of hours with limited gear before you gain access to other PD Jobs. If we were to have this accompanied with a proper CoC, certain ranks could approve players to be given access to other Police Jobs. The higher ranked the job, the higher rank the person has to be to approve you.'
Who is going to be trusted with the CoC rank? Will that be another responsibility to be thrown to the admins? If not, which players are going to be trusted with that rank? And what are the requirements for said player?
As for the cadetrank, what would be the point of this job? I can see 2 possibilities for that suggestion:
1. The job is heavily restricted, so with barely any police tools, in which case its nothing more then a citizen with a custom jobtitle. People wont learn in this role since they need to learn to handle tools and how to RP properly as an officer with all the tools that theyll have available.
2. The job is barely restricted, in which case youll have exactly as much abuse from it as you have now.
'Also, whitelisting doesn't mean a group of elitist will be able to force their will on others. That already happens with the government now. What's so bad about having a trained (Or at the least an actually smart) PD instead of mindless control freaks (Ie: Me)? Not to mention, no one said anything about a 150 hour cap. That never works, so why will it here?'
Its impossible for the policeforce to be elitist right now since literally everyone can join them. When creating a whitelist you create a group of people who have more power then others. Thats the point where you will possibily get abuse, but definatly create a feeling of 'being left out' which demotivates to play.
The hour cap was an estimate, but how will you judge people worthy of joining the whitelist then? Surely they would have to be at least pretty well known in the community which takes at least 20-30 hours? Then they would probably need to make an application which needs to be reviewed which takes more time. The whitelist makes sure that players under 50 hours have 0% chance to become an officer.
Ill stick to my point, if you whitelist the policeforce like that, your current playerbase might enjoy it but at the expense of newer players which this gamemode desperatly needs right now. If you really want to fix the problems that are faced with police simply remove arrests from being IC. RDA is something that should be punishable since its so incredibly easy to get away with it right now. Force people to give them a proper RP reason when asked in chat or PM, if the other party disagrees a BR can be created and punishment for abusers can be handed out accordingly. The only real punishment for a random arrest is demotion right now, which is no punishment at all.
I think this whole situation is completely over exaggerated. We're not talking several hours of jail time here. Criminals are supposed to be *underground* anyways, this will likely encourage that. If there weren't militant groups running around shooting everything to shit I doubt there'd be so many arrests. It's quite simple to avoid being arrested even while running criminal ventures. The problem is people push it then complain when they get shot or arrested for it. For example; claiming 'random raid' when they're visably armed and barricaded. Arrests for no reason happen very rarely in my experience and minor offeses can be dealt with by conversing, an action people seem to think running their mouth compensates for.
Anything that moves LL towards a more serious roleplay style is a plus in my book.
Driving full speed and raming cop cars is not RP.
(Dec 14, 2017, 12:10 PM)Nebula Wrote: [ -> ]Driving full speed and raming cop cars is not RP.
Its called baiting RP or evading something RP
(Dec 14, 2017, 01:01 AM)Welker Wrote: [ -> ]I think this whole situation is completely over exaggerated. We're not talking several hours of jail time here. Criminals are supposed to be *underground* anyways, this will likely encourage that. If there weren't militant groups running around shooting everything to shit I doubt there'd be so many arrests. It's quite simple to avoid being arrested even while running criminal ventures. The problem is people push it then complain when they get shot or arrested for it. For example; claiming 'random raid' when they're visably armed and barricaded. Arrests for no reason happen very rarely in my experience and minor offeses can be dealt with by conversing, an action people seem to think running their mouth compensates for.
I can't be "underground" when the police raids every single building when they see it is owned.
Thats pretty accurate what Nuudelisalaatti olen tankki is saying.
(Dec 14, 2017, 02:15 PM)Kahjo Wrote: [ -> ]Thats pretty accurate what Nuudelisalaatti olen tankki is saying.
kahjo its makaroonisalaatti olen tankki
You lot crying if it goes to 30 minutes, try arma 3 life. None of you would survive lol
