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Alright, I do see your point about acting without waiting for your response, however, the situation was pretty clear.



Here, you were driving in the wrong side with a long vehicle while he is in the correct lane. Your vehicle is long and intentional or not did cut him off resulting in him running into your car. This is the only dangerous action shown in the video. Him not listening to you is totally understandable as you can see in the video he was getting shot at. 

I do believe Goigle was not a threat and he was only trying to escape the potential threat. You acted too fast.

Assuming he might be dangerous is not enough. Police or Government do not shoot down people who might have weaponary before they confirm it.

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I do believe Goigle was not a threat and he was only trying to escape the potential threat.
Why would you drive into a gun fight and then want to "escape a threat"? He literally just entered one. If he was not a threat why were the officer's shooting his vehicle then?

Assuming he might be dangerous is not enough.
As the police was shooting on him I could have seen him as a danger.

Quote:Police or Government do not shoot down people who might have weaponary before they confirm it.

Other law enforcement officers already opened fire at the vehicle which shows me that he is a threat.

Quote:If you read the sentence before that, your question would have been answered. Here's the full quote from the PR

I still do not see the point of you driving away even if you "fear to get arrested". If you haven't done anything nobody would have arrested you.

Quote:Then why did you wait so long to shoot me? I'd understand if you shot me down while Wesley was still shooting me, but you did not.

It can be clearly seen that just arrived as you passed/rammed my limousine.

Quote:If this was a lone incident I would not have posted a PR but you were being incredibly aggressive the whole time. Others in our group said you shot them while they were unarmed and then you kept doing it and I finally got a video.

Edit:
I'm trying to find the exact location in the video (its 3+ hours of recording), but I found one of our guys mentioning it in chat:

This was a complete different situation. Make a different PR if you want to. I even spoke to Agorith via pm after that. He was looking the same as you guys were looking. He was standing right next to you whilst you were shooting on multiple police officers without any reason at all. I would've called an EMS but unfortunaly you killed all the officers around. You were shooting us all the evening as anarchist with a job name "anti-fascists". I do not see how this is valid as I got warned days before that I am not allowed to do so even with a different job name in the anarchist job. Before this situation you and your peeps hostaged me and Wesley. You directly shot Wesley to death and killed me after it in the FD.

Quote:Let me reiterate: these are the only 2 killings I had good video of. Nudel had 3 or 4 kills on the scoreboard (most other cops had 0, a couple had 1). The only way to get those kills is by shooting people out of cars or killing bodies on the ground (injuring people does not count). While he may have thought I was armed in the first one, there is no reason for him to have shot down Agorith. Nudel is way too lethal as a cop.

I was online the whole day. Me, Blazing and Slowkiller had a fight with some officers hours before (as I remember) as we were roleplaying as a criminal group. Both can confirm that.

Quote:Nudel is way too lethal as a cop.

And you were not too aggressive in your anarchist job? You killed the whole government multiple times, even raided the police department right after killing me and Wesley.

Unfortunaly I do not have recordings of you making that but the logs will show it.

(Aug 17, 2017, 10:41 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ]I still do not see the point of you driving away even if you "fear to get arrested". If you haven't done anything nobody would have arrested you.

I'm going to say this again: you guys were arresting us and detaining us for flimsy reasons. I did not want to risk the dictator ordering my execution for being associated with sour even though I was not armed.

(Aug 17, 2017, 10:41 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ]This was a complete different situation. Make a different PR if you want to.He was looking the same as you guys were looking. He was standing right next to you whilst you were shooting on multiple police officers without any reason at all. I would've called an EMS but unfortunaly you killed all the officers around. You were shooting us all the evening as anarchist with a job name "anti-fascists".

It is a different situation but the point is the same: you were shooting unarmed people without cause. I did not start the shooting in the situation you are talking about. Regardless of whether or not you PMed Agorith you had no reason to kill him. There were people shooting, but he had his arms down and no gun out and you were coming from behind. You could have told him to get on the ground or done a variety of other things but you came in running and gunning. Additionally, no one was shooting besides you at that time. Sour was hiding in the bus stop to avoid getting hit by the SWAT van and I was in the tahoe. You could have waited to get better situational awareness but you decided to just shoot the nearest hooded guy in sight.

(Aug 17, 2017, 10:41 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ]I do not see how this is valid as I got warned days before that I am not allowed to do so even with a different job name in the anarchist job. Before this situation you and your peeps hostaged me and Wesley. You directly shot Wesley to death and killed me after it in the FD.

I neither shot nor killed Wesley in that situation. That was sour. We killed you because you arrested us multiple times for flimsy reasons and beat us in prison multiple times and neither the sergeant nor the president would listen to us about you.

(Aug 17, 2017, 10:44 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ]And you were not too aggressive in your anarchist job? You killed the whole government multiple times, even raided the police department right after killing me and Wesley.

We raided the PD to take out a dictator, that's why Sour was at the suburbs. You're also comparing criminals to cops. Also, with the exception of you when we brought you to the EMS building, we did not kill any unarmed cops OR any cops in cars that were fleeing. We were doing aggressive RP, but you were by far more hostile and more aggressive as an individual.

For the record, I started only one of the shootouts and that was the raid (which the entire group technically started).

(Aug 17, 2017, 11:09 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ]Agorith got in the injured state. I did not killed him.

That's just a loophole. You directly caused his death because no medics were on, and I'm pretty sure that rule was written before the injured states were added. Here's an imgur album proving there were no EMS on: https://imgur.com/a/k721n

Also, the shooting had stopped for an entire minute before you came around the corner and blasted him.

(Aug 17, 2017, 11:09 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ]First: That is NOT a reason to kill the whole Government including not involved officers.
Second: As you said "would" I assume you never tried it. I got blacklisted as I used force instead of trying to speak to the president (doing nearly the exact same thing). This point is 100% invalid and should get yourself into problems and not me.

We weren't trying to kill the officer, we thought the president was in the PD. Keep in mind: we killed a total of 3 people. 1 was unintentional (somehow wesley accidentally pulled out his gun), 1 was deserved (you), 1 had a choice to stand down and not defend a dictator.


As for your second point, (if I am correctly remembering English isn't your first language), that's a language barrier I guess
Here's what I said:

Quote:neither the sergeant nor the president would listen to us about you

That means they were not listening and that we did contact them.

(Aug 17, 2017, 11:09 PM)Nudelsalat im Panzer Wrote: [ -> ]D3ST was a democratic president first. He changed to dictator 2 minutes before I changed to SSA. As far as I remember he was a normal president at the time you raided the PD.
The situation at the PD was at least 10 minutes before the situation at the suburbans.
Instead you walked up the PD and killed everyone inside.

The president changed to dictator before we raided the PD.

The situation at PD ended 5 minutes before the situation at the suburbs, but that's a moot point. The only reason for the time difference is we didn't know where the president was.

Also, we did try and get some of the police to surrender peacefully by saying "freeze" but the police opened fire first. Saying we killed everyone inside is a little dramatic considering we only killed one person whom had a chance to surrender.