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Name of Player: Sörlsselssön thhshop.com

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:29305756

Server: V4B1

Time: (In UTC+0) 5:48 - 5:53 PM PDT

Summary: User was found violating the following rules (Some of them may be linked)

User was found violating rule 1.8 which is linked with rule 5.1
User was found violating rules 19.4 and 19.4a
User was found violating rules 2.5
List may go on

Evidence: Witness: and

Snapshot of demotion reason which states "for reason: Not responding to any calls (OOC: Before that afk)" while I was AFK for a little while



Snapshot of his name that may be advertising a product of some kind



Snapshot of calling someone "simple minded"



Keep in mind that the people who have been tagged in this post have evidence against this user, it'll take their time to post their side

*Involved and tagged.*


03:22 - Unable to Warrant the President.
We start our situation with a few vehicles speed racing against each other. As seen in the video, only two vehicles are successfully stopped. Those being, the President, his Vice and a citizen. We attempted to try to warrant the President for an arrest as we have had a prior situation with the President and his Vice that we had warned him about breaking Basic Traffic Laws and Recklessly Driving in the City. I and Wesley Lawrence (Partner at the time) decided it would be the best time to try to remove the President and his Vice from power as this would be the only way to remove the corruption of the Government.

07:36 - Sörlsselssön attempts to flee in a random vehicle.
Time had started to pass and it only got extended because the President and his Vice wanted to be released and tried to find a way to get out of the situation without any penalties. In the time, Sörlsselssön attempts to flee the scene slowly, trying to hope into Vader's Vehicle. He then got inside the vehicle, but luckily he was unable to drive due to him being cuffed. I was then forced to ram him out of the vehicle.

08:00 - Sörlsselssön starts to break FearRP
After forcefully removing Sörlsselssön from Vadar's Vehicle he then decided to ignore orders that were given to him when a taser was pointed towards him. He continued this until we were forced to taser him to prevent him from leaving and dragging him back to the vehicles to continue with the situation.

09:04 - Sörlsselssön and his Vice start Metagaming?
It was then at this point where Sörlsselssön and his Vice went quiet and stood still for a good 20-40 seconds. There is no evidence towards this, however, I personally believe that they were both communicating together to try to find a way to make sure they both get President still.

10:30/11:13 - Sörlsselssön and his Vice Change jobs
Sörlsselssön and the Vice then switched jobs (Vice to President and Vice Versa) and it is shown when I am called in by the Police Sergeant, Leon when he wished to see me from a report that the Vice President had displayed when stepping down from The Presidency and move towards "Minister of Police Affairs".

11:16 - Sörlsselssön tries to get involved with the Police
Sörlsselssön attempts to then get involved and tries to Micro-manage the Police Force with him being the "Minister of Police Affairs". The expression of the tone given when starting this was more of a comeback sort of reaction as if he did this to attempt to get a punishment out of the Police Sergeant for me for trying to arrest/detaining them from previous work.

12:00 - Sörlsselssön and Leon talk about the Prior Situation
Sörlsselssön and Leon begin to talk about the previous situation with was displayed at the start of the video and trying to blame on myself to say I was not doing my job as an officer of the law.

12:30 - Sörlsselssön tries to take command of the Police as Vice President
Sörlsselssön then continues to take command as the Minister of Police Affairs until my game crashes which is when I stopped playing Garry's Mod and decided to take my leave.

Main Point and Rules I believe where broken (and tl;dr)
1.1 MetaGaming (Communication)
This is shown at the point when Sörlsselssön and his Vice freeze and do not move or speak for about 20-40 seconds when they are changing jobs. This is only speculation however no hovering text of "Talking" or anything alike was also displayed. Government Channels on Teamspeak were also empty.

2.1 FearRP
This is shown at 07:36 and 08:00 when he attempts to flee from me trying to get into Vadar's Vehicle and when he is forcefully rammed out of the vehicle with him wandering away when being told to stop with a Taser pointed at him.

2.5 FailRP
This is shown when the President Sörlsselssön is demoted and instantly goes as Vice President, setting up a meeting with both myself and the Police Sergeant to try to get a punishment out of myself when we wished to arrest them both but was unable to due to Game-Mechanics. Sörlsselssön shouldn't have gone Vice President when he was asked to step-down as it doesn't make sense for him to do so.

Hello,

As stated before, both me and Sours (as well as enough of other members online around that time) were a witness of the numerous  times the president (Sörlsselssön) broke the rules. These varied from FailRP to FearRP and from demotions in an OOC manner to reconnecting to avoid arrest.

In my Imgur album (to be found below under ''evidence''), I have uploaded a total of eight images revealing these incidents. Each picture will have a title or description detailing what the incident was and what my opinion regarding the rule breaking in each one is.

I will also have a video to be found below under ''evidence'' that will show me attempting to put Sörlsselssön inside the isolation cell after not listening to my various commands. Even then, at the entrance of the isolation cell and under FearRP using an ASP baton, Sörlsselssön still doesn't listen until I tell him so many times, he probably got tired of resisting it.

Same goes for the second cut in the video: I proceed to tell him to get out of the isolation cell, at which I do not get any reply to. Thinking he's ignoring my commands, I try and put him under FearRP by use of the ASP baton. He still doesn't listen, so I decide to scale it up by equipping my taser. At which point, I think he might be planning an escape. I move around the corner to close the door and quickly head back to him; right at the point where he disconnects and reconnects within less than a second. He is seen to join presidency straight after he connects again and shows obvious willingness and knowledge of the reconnect by laughing/grinning at me when I drive past him to take a picture as proof.

The laughing/grinning, by the way, is what we mostly got out of him when trying to talk to him in an OOC manner and try and acknowledge him about what he's doing wrong. 

That, or ''I am a president, so I can do everything and you can't do anything to me'' responses.

During these incidents, I feel like the following rules have been broken:
Rule 1.3 - The accused party has reconnected to avoid arrest and gain access to his prior position as a president.
Rule 2.1 / 2.1d - The accused party did not listen to commands given through means of melee weaponary and a taser.
Rule 2.5 - Placed a piano down at the Correctional Facility to sit at and play with previously (not on proof, except for the piano itself) without any roleplay or need for it to be down there.
And the rules quoted above by Sours and Rhys.



Evidence (8 photos and 1 video):
https://imgur.com/a/pfVI9
https://www.sendvid.com/5742zhnd

I demotion was rightful, i was calling you on the police radio but you didn't answer a single word. After i was doing the demotion, you did OOC:"Going afk" That doesn't count with the IC. In my opinion, simple minded is not that bad at all, you can just make it bad as you want, as i see you did. I did not insult anyone with cursewords ´what would be even bad. That advertise thing? It is my steam name, it has been there because i play in other game, totally different game, not Gmod.

Ps. i wait for admin reply, you can guys can still add something but this is mine opinion.

(Jul 27, 2017, 12:07 PM)MacGyver Wrote: [ -> ]I demotion was rightful, i was calling you on the police radio but you didn't answer a single word. After i was doing the demotion, you did OOC:"Going afk" That doesn't count with the IC. In my opinion, simple minded is not that bad at all, you can just make it bad as you want, as i see you did. I did not insult anyone with cursewords ´what would be even bad. That advertise thing? It is my steam name, it has been there because i play in other game, totally different game, not Gmod.

Ps. i wait for admin reply, you can guys can still add something but this is mine opinion.

Quote:19.4 - Arrest and demotion reasons must be clearly written in warrants and when demoting. If there is a sensible written reason then any
complaints about the arrests/warrants must be addressed in-character - do not make @ calls about them.
19.4a - Exception - if stated reason is OOC and/or clearly violates a server rule e.g NLR, Metagaming, Backseat administrating.

Since you also stated a OOC reason which was "Going afk" clearly falls under rule 19.4a, and also calling someone simple minded may be a big deal if someone does take it seriouly (refer to rule 1.4) and also, take a note on this

Quote:1.8 Advertising products/servers is not permitted in any form, whether on OOC chat or on a steam name.

5.1 No advertisements in chat or Steam names that are not LL related/game related (such as personal websites, other communities or businesses).

(Jul 27, 2017, 12:07 PM)MacGyver Wrote: [ -> ]I demotion was rightful, i was calling you on the police radio but you didn't answer a single word. After i was doing the demotion, you did OOC:"Going afk" That doesn't count with the IC. In my opinion, simple minded is not that bad at all, you can just make it bad as you want, as i see you did. I did not insult anyone with cursewords ´what would be even bad. That advertise thing? It is my steam name, it has been there because i play in other game, totally different game, not Gmod.

Ps. i wait for admin reply, you can guys can still add something but this is mine opinion.

You're fully aware that he stated he was going to be back OOCly and took advantage of that by (almost) immediately trying to communicate with him on the radio. Not only that him not responding back could have indicated that he was in trouble (shot at a traffic stop, in a hostage situation, or such) but you only did it to have him demoted from the force as we all weren't too happy with what you were doing as a president.

The insulting, in my opinion, is not anything severe. However, it's obvious you basically tried to sugarcoat calling someone stupid over the Global OOC channel.

The advertising is another thing. I see a lot of people doing it whilst it isn't allowed in the community. Not for things regarding CS: GO, not for shops, not for other communities. It's a simple rule and you can easily change your Steam name before you connect to this server.

We are humans, humans makes misstakes, we are not robots. Are you aware of that? If i play different games i might forget to change my name, i already talked about that with moderator Nightmare, he told me that it's not big issue if you forget change your name, that simple minded thing is same as in some older reports, it's "lame" insult. And no, i wasn't aware of that you were in AFK, you told me that before the demotion. Stop lying in here, admins can check the logs for that.

(Jul 28, 2017, 12:19 PM)MacGyver Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't aware of that you were in AFK, you told me that before the demotion. Stop lying in here, admins can check the logs for that.

Ok, but couldn't you ask someone else beside you if I was AFK for the moment? I mean it isn't that hard to ask, and keep in mind that lying in the courthouse is very serious stuff, so If I were you I would think twice before accusing someone of lying

Ask someone else? I was playing my role over there, i was doing serious RP, i called you atleast 6 times in there. But no respond. And it was before you told u were in afk, so that doesn't count as i stated before. Ofc i would understand if you told me you were AFK, also you should play it in IC too, example: "I am going to have lunch break" "I am unable to respond for a minute" neither you didn't even do that.

(Jul 28, 2017, 07:10 PM)MacGyver Wrote: [ -> ]Ask someone else? I was playing my role over there, i was doing serious RP, i called you atleast 6 times in there. But no respond. And it was before you told u were in afk, so that doesn't count as i stated before. Ofc i would understand if you told me you were AFK, also you should play it in IC too, example: "I am going to have lunch break" "I am unable to respond for a minute" neither you didn't even do that.

You can always ask someone else via Local ooc if I'm afk, and also you did waste 's and My time responding to your dumb calls about armed people who weren't even armed, meaning that I wouldn't even respond to your calls since what you described was rubbish and bullshit, and If I were you, I would think twice before even making a radio call about a armed person, and it's always recommendable that you ALWAYS be escorted by Secret Service Agents

" your dumb calls" Isn't that insulting/disrespecting already? "rubbish and bullshit"

(Jul 29, 2017, 11:10 AM)MacGyver Wrote: [ -> ]" your dumb calls" Isn't that insulting/disrespecting already? "rubbish and bullshit"

I'm pretty sure what Rhys meant to talk about is your constant FailRP as a president by calling us to the Nexus every 5 minutes both written and verbally over radio comms to interrupt our roleplay in terms of you being shot at. Which, everytime we responded, was not what was happening. No normal president would do this.

You were also acting as a dictator whilst no staff was online on the server to stop you from doing so and when we finally stopped responding with lights and sirens you decided you'd start seeking for ways to demote us. Rhys made clear he was AFK and you used that OOC reason to demote him.

(Jul 29, 2017, 11:10 AM)MacGyver Wrote: [ -> ]" your dumb calls" Isn't that insulting/disrespecting already? "rubbish and bullshit"

"Your dumb calls" and "rubbish and bullshit" aren't really insults, as anyone who may be saying those words are trying to point out things that are either: Non-relative, non-sense and idiocy, meaning there are trying to point out stuff with the use of possible aggressive/foul language

I never used OOC reason to demote him, but he is trying to say that hes OOC reason is valuable in IC. And it is not. You have to play your AFK in IC too, in the way i stated above. Evidence of that i called u every 5min? Because i didn't.