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Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Jen - Nov 17, 2017
At 12:06 GMT a mid-air crash happened in Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire near Waddesdon Manor.
SCAS got the call at 12:09 pm for a mid-air collision and sent,
HEMS, 2 ambulance crews, 2 ambulance officers and an RRV. Currently, they are unable to confirm the number of casualties at the scene.
TVP said that their priority was "saving lives."
Bucks Fire and Rescue Service, Oxfordshire Fire and Rescue Service and Berkshire Fire and Rescue Service sent 7 Vehicles to the scene. Including Fire engines, USAR.
AAIB has sent a team to investigate the crash.
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-42024712
Firefighters sent 2 USAR 3 Appliances and 7 Officers attended a Buckinghamshire Fire & Rescue Service drone was used.
Source: https://bucksfire.gov.uk/latest-incidents (Friday 17th November 12:04 pm)
AAIB: Air Accident Investigation Branch
RRV: Rapid Response Vehicle
TVP: Thames Valley Police
SCAS: South Central Ambulance Service
HEMS: Air Ambulance
USAR: Urban Search and Rescue
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - bananen_ephihal - Nov 17, 2017
Yeah this is sad, small private plane and helicopter flying in uncontrolled airspace and the collides.
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Jen - Nov 18, 2017
UPDATE:
4 Have been pronounced dead by emergency services.
Police are now working on discovering who the people are to report to the families.
As of now the investigation may take until Monday or longer it is "Too early to tell"
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Soviethooves - Nov 19, 2017
I'm more baffled on how they collided than the actual deaths to be honest. No disrespect to the dead, but how blind can you be? Were they using IFR or were the skies clear? Were either of the pilots tired, under narcotics, or drinking previously?
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Jen - Nov 19, 2017
(Nov 19, 2017, 09:07 AM)Gungranny Wrote: I'm more baffled on how they collided than the actual deaths to be honest. No disrespect to the dead, but how blind can you be? Were they using IFR or were the skies clear? Were either of the pilots tired, under narcotics, or drinking previously?
Currently under investigation, according to the BBC it says that another pilot says that the airspace is very busy.
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Cole - Nov 19, 2017
(Nov 19, 2017, 09:07 AM)Gungranny Wrote: I'm more baffled on how they collided than the actual deaths to be honest. No disrespect to the dead, but how blind can you be? Were they using IFR or were the skies clear? Were either of the pilots tired, under narcotics, or drinking previously?
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Jen - Nov 19, 2017
(Nov 19, 2017, 06:33 PM)Cole__ Wrote:(Nov 19, 2017, 09:07 AM)Gungranny Wrote: I'm more baffled on how they collided than the actual deaths to be honest. No disrespect to the dead, but how blind can you be? Were they using IFR or were the skies clear? Were either of the pilots tired, under narcotics, or drinking previously?
We might know Monday or not.
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Jokhah - Nov 29, 2017
I know a bit about aviation equipment, but I'm not an expert by any means.
I'm curious to find out how both aircraft could have collided in such a fashion, short of intent or user error. There are plenty of detection systems that come standard, that should have indicated proximity warnings to avoid such an incident. Also, they are supposed to have beacons (transponders I think) that indicate its position to the nearby air towers, which relay this information to other craft.
Even if the area is heavily trafficked, it seems extremely unlikely that this could have happened by accident, as the two differing types of craft generally don't use the same pieces of airspace at nearly the same time (I.E. Planes and Helicopters generally avoid one another, being that one is generally moving much faster on a more direct course). I also find it hard to be sad that there were casulties without knowing who they really were or what they were doing. I've lost many career soldier buddies and frankly, the media generally doesn't give one fuck about them.
RE: Aircraft and helicopter mid-air collision - Soviethooves - Nov 29, 2017
(Nov 29, 2017, 07:01 AM)Jokhah Wrote: I know a bit about aviation equipment, but I'm not an expert by any means.
I'm curious to find out how both aircraft could have collided in such a fashion, short of intent or user error. There are plenty of detection systems that come standard, that should have indicated proximity warnings to avoid such an incident. Also, they are supposed to have beacons (transponders I think) that indicate its position to the nearby air towers, which relay this information to other craft.
Even if the area is heavily trafficked, it seems extremely unlikely that this could have happened by accident, as the two differing types of craft generally don't use the same pieces of airspace at nearly the same time (I.E. Planes and Helicopters generally avoid one another, being that one is generally moving much faster on a more direct course). I also find it hard to be sad that there were casulties without knowing who they really were or what they were doing. I've lost many career soldier buddies and frankly, the media generally doesn't give one fuck about them.
Uncontrolled airspace could have explained the transponder not being a factor, but it’s still a matter of protocol. Aircraft of diffferent types have a standard “window” of airspace where they must stay. Now, when I flew fixed wing, our minimum was 1,000m, but I don’t know minimum for rotorcraft. They may be the same. But even then, in the US at least, if in uncontrolled airspace, there is a freq set for the area that pilots use to update their path if it does change. All in all, this is a very rare sight and may have just been pilot error.