Quote:I'm not saying that I didn't do it, I'm saying the punishment is stupid and inappropriate for the violation. I think you sort of read past my entire post and concluded that I'm still guilty therefore the punishment stays. That's not what I'm arguing. 

Let me try to further explain my point through a small course I've put together


HOW TO DECREASE SERVER POPULATION 101

Hello and welcome to my new course, how to lower the population of a Gmod server 101.

Today, we have a special guest, and a first-hand account of a player who doesn't want to play due to over-the-top punishments. Let's welcome our guest, Vauld!

Me: Hello Vauld nice to see you today.
Me: Yes thanks for having me on, I really appreciate it.
Me: So you don't want to play the server after your blacklist?
Me: No, in fact I would actively suggest that if players receive this infuriating form of punishment, they move on elsewhere.
Me: Wow! That seems like rash decision to make...
Me: Well no it's really not, so I made a mistake in about 10 seconds worth of playtime right. I broke NLR, that's fair... But let's break this down a little further.

I die on average 2-3 times an hour, perhaps from glitching, perhaps from getting hit by a car, perhaps from aggressive RP
My blacklist was issued for 3 or 4 hours, can't remember at this point.
Doing some math we can understand if I die the maximum of 3 times an hour, that is...
30 minutes out of an hour - where I'm supposed to AFK - HALF MY PLAYTIME


Sorry for being a sarcastic dick, but seriously - No one in their right mind is going to continue playing a server where half of the time they play, they have to tab out or AFK, or stare at a grey screen? This is not how we should be treating our player base, punishing in ways that makes them waste 50% of the time they play? Are we serious? What the hell kind of punishment is that. 

Imagine joining a server and having to wait on a black screen for 30 minutes, before being granted 30 minutes of playtime. That's essentially what experience we're giving here.

And the sad part is that anyone can break NLR in a few seconds, and the result can be HOURS of lost playtime. 

This form of punishment is not only illogical, it's ludicrous. It's a fundamental mistreatment of our player base. 

I don't mean this to be a personal attack on any one admin, but I think Limelight as a whole needs to rethink their punishments scheme, and the impact it has on the player base. I know first-hand how easy it is to type !Blacklist, but let me tell you - being on the receiving end, such punishments create a horrible gaming experience, far beyond what is appropriate in my mind for an NLR violation.

(May 28, 2017, 08:29 PM)PaulB Wrote: A more fitting punishment would be re-spawning someone who enters their NLR zone rather than forcing people to sit AFK for 10 minutes.

(May 28, 2017, 08:31 PM)Vauld Wrote: Project, I'm sorry but that logic makes me cringe. "If you can't follow the rules you should not be trusted with being able to do anything until your time is up".
I honestly dont understand why you take my comment completely out of context? I never said all punishments should be the same?

So with this logic:

If you prop-kill, you should have to wait 10 minutes on a black screen every time you spawn a prop.
If you prop-kill, your tools are removed as you cant be trusted with them. If you do the same, you loose them for an even longer time or lose access to the server.

If you disrespect someone in OOC, you should have to wait 10 minutes on a black screen every time you type.
Again, if you can't follow the rules, you can't be trusted with having access to OOC. If you do it again, you lose it for even more time or lose access to the server.

If you break Fear RP, you should have to wait 10 minutes on a black screen every time you see a gun.
You either lose your guns as you cant be trusted to use them properly or you loose access to the server as you can't follow the rules and roleplay being afraid of a gun.

If you CDM you should have to wait 10 minutes on a black screen every time you try to spawn a car.
Again, you can't be trusted with a car so you are not allowed to drive one.

It's a terrible form of punishment. If you want something effective, make them wait 10 minutes once they've re-entered their NLR zone. Our players aren't even gonna be able to play the damn server if we just have the logic "WELP, IF THEY BREAK THE RULES, THEY SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT VIOLATION FOR 3 HOURS"
It is super effective. It is practically a 2-point system most of the time. You lose your access to a said ability and if you violate the rules again you possibly lose your access to the server again. If you are unable to follow the rules you should not have access to them. They are supposed not to be an enjoyable experience so as to deter you from breaking the rules again. After all they are called punishments for a reason.

(May 28, 2017, 08:29 PM)PaulB Wrote: A more fitting punishment would be re-spawning someone who enters their NLR zone rather than forcing people to sit AFK for 10 minutes.
So if you are going after someone and he goes into his NLR zone? He gets teleported mid-chase? Or even if you block them from going back there, how would you implement that?

(May 28, 2017, 08:29 PM)PaulB Wrote: A more fitting punishment would be re-spawning someone who enters their NLR zone rather than forcing people to sit AFK for 10 minutes.

(May 28, 2017, 08:29 PM)PaulB Wrote: A more fitting punishment would be re-spawning someone who enters their NLR zone rather than forcing people to sit AFK for 10 minutes.
So if you are going after someone and he goes into his NLR zone? He gets teleported mid-chase? Or even if you block them from going back there, how would you implement that?