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RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Dryblood - Feb 23, 2017
(Feb 23, 2017, 12:44 AM)Preditor Wrote:(Feb 23, 2017, 12:33 AM)Dryblood Wrote:(Feb 23, 2017, 12:19 AM)Preditor Wrote:(Feb 22, 2017, 11:51 PM)Dryblood Wrote:(Feb 22, 2017, 11:39 PM)Preditor Wrote: Absolutely not.
Last I checked, when the Teacher role was even created it was not meant to be a staff position. Putting them on the Team page implies this to new players. I understand that they have put in work, as well as it's not entirely simple to do, but to be blunt, being an administrator or developer is a hell of a lot harder than being a teacher.
Not that teachers shouldn't receive credit, but they already do. This is unnecessary, and in my opinion going completely against the values of what they were created for in the first place.
And as for the role itself, it's voluntary, as well as something technically any member of the community could do. They help new players, or at least are supposed to. Only point in the rank was originally for that. Nothing else. If you put this on the team page then it may give those who have this rank some higher authority feeling that they certainly should not get.
There's literally nothing special about it, or at least there shouldn't be. Any member of the community can be a teacher, only thing the rank does is recognize the individual and give them responsibility to teach players. That does not make them a staff member, and they are not above the new players, or their fellow regular members.
Teachers are not staff, nor were they staff at one point in time.
Neither are Veterans.
Plus administration isn't hard either, once you learn, same with teaching, all depends on the individual dedication and approach.
I'd like you to come back and rephrase your statement once you've administrated here.
Doubt it'll be much different to what I've experienced in the past fella.
Maybe, maybe not. But you haven't administrated here. That's enough of an answer when you say being a Teacher is close to being an Administrator. For all you know being an admin here can be the complete opposite of what the word means, you don't know so it's not just for you to assume.
The workload of an admin is higher for sure, I won't argue about that, but I've heard stories about staff forgetting who is a teacher. I don't like the teacher system and I'll continue to hold that opinion, but they're promoted and nobody gets hurt if we add them to the forums. Just some egos aparantly.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Brax - Feb 23, 2017
Teachers are nowhere near the amount of work Contributors and such do, don't even make that comparison folks.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Soviethooves - Feb 23, 2017
(Feb 22, 2017, 11:01 PM)Dryblood Wrote:(Feb 22, 2017, 10:45 PM)Soviethooves Wrote: I'm gonna say no.
I never understood the Teacher position being a thing to be honest. You don't need a special title and insignia to help others or show your knowledge of RP and rules. When I was a Teacher, I was kinda confused when i got the position. It was kinda like: "I get to see the /help chat? That's the only difference aside from a private forum? Huh, might as well just do what I always did."
I get that it won't corrupt everyone with "power" if they get Teacher, but why do they need a title? What about the players that aren't Teachers but can do better than them? Probably looked down upon because people see Teachers as automatically better because they have a special insignia. Not to mention the rumor that it's the "doorway to mod".
Trust me when I say it, we have a good Teacher group, but I don't honestly believe we need a title for them. They're just good people helping that happened to put in an application.
It's about making them feel valued for the work they do, by giving them a simple forum tag and showing them on the staff list to show clearly who is and isn't a teacher in this community just like in-game.
I'm not a big fan of the teacher programme myself, but like an admin or a mod they provide a service to the server, if you stop thinking about it like a chain of command they are staff just with a different role.
The service that everyone can give? The service of helping other like a normal human being? The service of being a good roleplayer? Why should John deserve a special tag because he made an application when Ben is better than John, but just doesn't care to fill in a pointless application that will get him in a position that could lead to bias points of view from Non-Teachers against him saying he's a "suck up" or that he's "an elitist" even though all they really wanna do is have fun and help people like the rest of us.
What service do they provide that can't be provided through a normal player?
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Enzyme - Feb 23, 2017
This is something that's been discussed before and I still vote no.
I've already seen the Teacher rank be altered quite a lot from what the original intention was, and I don't see a reason why the Teacher role should be changed any further. The Teacher role was created for a very small and specific role ingame where players with enough knowledge of the server and gamemode could assist those with questions about it.
I feel that Players should be equal with Teachers and vice versa. This would not give that impression.
Contributors and Teachers are two very different roles, both with how they were designed, what they do and what kind of workload they have and they should not be compared due to this.
Good ol' Pred summed it up pretty good:
(Feb 22, 2017, 11:39 PM)Preditor Wrote: Absolutely not.
Last I checked, when the Teacher role was even created it was not meant to be a staff position. Putting them on the Team page implies this to new players. I understand that they have put in work, as well as it's not entirely simple to do, but to be blunt, being an administrator or developer is a hell of a lot harder than being a teacher.
Not that teachers shouldn't receive credit, but they already do. This is unnecessary, and in my opinion going completely against the values of what they were created for in the first place.
And as for the role itself, it's voluntary, as well as something technically any member of the community could do. They help new players, or at least are supposed to. Only point in the rank was originally for that. Nothing else. If you put this on the team page then it may give those who have this rank some higher authority feeling that they certainly should not get.
There's literally nothing special about it, or at least there shouldn't be. Any member of the community can be a teacher, only thing the rank does is recognize the individual and give them responsibility to teach players. That does not make them a staff member, and they are not above the new players, or their fellow regular members.
Teachers are not staff, nor were they staff at one point in time.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Faustie - Feb 23, 2017
With the vote percentage now below a clear 70%, perhaps an alternative to consider would be modifying the idea to put a tab on the 'team' tab. 'Staff', 'Volunteers', and 'Hall of Fame', or something similar.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Dick - Feb 23, 2017
But... A Volunteer Tab doesn't make the most sense and Administrators/Moderators Volunteered to do their job for the community.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - yutgjctguc - Feb 23, 2017
They could but There is a thread already
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - BlackDog - Feb 23, 2017
A thread is not quite the same and does not have the convienence of a Team page listing, till today I didnt actualy know that list existed
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - yutgjctguc - Feb 23, 2017
But I say it would be more easier if teachers are listed in "team" page
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Apex - Feb 23, 2017
Y'know, the tab is literally called "Team". So while yes teachers might not do as much works as say, contributors or developers they are still part of the team! They do a role within Limelight Gaming, they represent the community on a daily basis on the Server and on the Forums.
So the argument "They don't do enough" or "It will make them powermad" is insane. And maybe the fact they even bothered to apply should be of some recognition because they took the initiative and decided to make a difference in the community. Now I know some of you said that technically anyone could do it. but the point is; They don't.
Whether you like it or not Teachers are part of the Limelight team, so taking a 2 dimensional look at everything as most people here do is probably the reason people have issues with the Staff team in the first place.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Ollie630 - Feb 23, 2017
They're part of the team, so why not? Just because they don't have to do as much work as administrating staff, they still do work.
Also, it'd stop the confusion of 'Who is teacher?' Yes, I know that there is a thread stating which people are teachers, but does anyone really want to look at that every time they want to find out who is a teacher?
If you're really that bothered about them being associated with administrating staff, why not make a separate team list for them? I don't see why anyone should be bothered about it though...
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Fly - Feb 23, 2017
Well, what is a teacher?
A teacher is a player who has a tag that acts like a spotlight for people to know who to contact for help. This enhanced player is then given special privileges that extends to a set of commands, and now you also want them to be recognized as a part of the staff team?
This is rougly said, just giving special privileges to someone who is trusted and does what everyone is expected to do - help.
I highly do vote against this. If you as a Teacher vote for this, i'd assume you want people to believe you are superior to them, because this is what this is about. This is egoistic.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Project - Feb 23, 2017
(Feb 23, 2017, 07:15 PM)Arach Wrote: Well, what is a teacher?
A teacher is a player who has a tag that acts like a spotlight for people to know who to contact for help. This enhanced player is then given special privileges that extends to a set of commands, and now you also want them to be recognized as a part of the staff team?
This is rougly said, just giving special privileges to someone who is trusted and does what everyone is expected to do - help.
I highly do vote against this. If you as a Teacher vote for this, i'd assume you want people to believe you are superior to them, because this is what this is about. This is egoistic.
Team page is not the staff page. Veterans and Contributors are not staff.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Fly - Feb 23, 2017
(Feb 23, 2017, 07:46 PM)Project Wrote:(Feb 23, 2017, 07:15 PM)Arach Wrote: Well, what is a teacher?
A teacher is a player who has a tag that acts like a spotlight for people to know who to contact for help. This enhanced player is then given special privileges that extends to a set of commands, and now you also want them to be recognized as a part of the staff team?
This is rougly said, just giving special privileges to someone who is trusted and does what everyone is expected to do - help.
I highly do vote against this. If you as a Teacher vote for this, i'd assume you want people to believe you are superior to them, because this is what this is about. This is egoistic.
Team page is not the staff page. Veterans and Contributors are not staff.
Ah, i misunderstood then. I honestly see no reason why this is debated. It wasn't needed to be brought up, and i don't see a reason to care whether or not they appear on the team page. I believe this should be up to the Teachers to discuss with the Staff.
RE: Should teachers be listed on team page? - Innovative - Feb 23, 2017
Last time I checked contributors weren't the subject of this discussion, so let's keep it that way.