(Dec 11, 2015, 06:13 PM)Dauntless Wrote:

(Dec 9, 2015, 05:42 PM)AVenom Wrote:

(Dec 7, 2015, 04:11 PM)Dauntless Wrote:

(Dec 7, 2015, 08:38 AM)Amity Wrote:

(Dec 7, 2015, 02:34 AM)Dauntless Wrote: Mate, he had a knife not a gun. The Metropolitan Police are trained to handle people with knifes, it's London knife attacks happen there all the time. They all seemed to be wearing stab proof vests so they could tackle him in numbers regardless of him being tazed. Whats the point in shooting him dead, he needs to be trialled in court police should be able to handle one man with a knife without having to shoot him.

Ok, so lets say that 2 terrorists run in london streets with a knife, and stab people and keep running and stabbing.
the police will chase them with tazers?
Or they will ran over people in bus stop and after start stabbing them, they should still be tazed?
SO PLEASE..

In the video which we are talking about the man was surrounded by police. He was not in the middle of stabbing people, so the police should have no reason to shoot him dead. Of course if they are putting other peoples lifes at risks they should be stopped by any means necessary, if 2 terrorists were attacking London a firearms unit would be called in as normal police do not have guns and they would be apprehended by them or normal police could try to take them on. You clearly miss-read my post, this isn't Israel and America shooting someone is a last resort and is done by professionals, not ordinary police. Police are trained to tackle people with knifes without guns.

Shooting someone in America is a last resort, FYI. Don't go throwing out words with nothing to back it up.

It is a last resort yes, but clearly not in some cases. I'm not going to base my opinion of a whole nation and be a hypocrite because of a bunch of cops, Ireland still treats women like shit and my government are dumb af. I was actually in college this week for a mini course and 2 Americans were studying in the college and were supervising the course I was at, a woman from Texas and a man from Boston I was talking to them about the police abusing firearms and they both said American police abuse guns at times and said cameras were needed. When I get back home I will put up some sources.

(Dec 12, 2015, 06:44 AM)Preditor Wrote:

(Dec 11, 2015, 06:13 PM)Dauntless Wrote:

(Dec 9, 2015, 05:42 PM)AVenom Wrote:

(Dec 7, 2015, 04:11 PM)Dauntless Wrote:

(Dec 7, 2015, 08:38 AM)Amity Wrote: Ok, so lets say that 2 terrorists run in london streets with a knife, and stab people and keep running and stabbing.
the police will chase them with tazers?
Or they will ran over people in bus stop and after start stabbing them, they should still be tazed?
SO PLEASE..

In the video which we are talking about the man was surrounded by police. He was not in the middle of stabbing people, so the police should have no reason to shoot him dead. Of course if they are putting other peoples lifes at risks they should be stopped by any means necessary, if 2 terrorists were attacking London a firearms unit would be called in as normal police do not have guns and they would be apprehended by them or normal police could try to take them on. You clearly miss-read my post, this isn't Israel and America shooting someone is a last resort and is done by professionals, not ordinary police. Police are trained to tackle people with knifes without guns.

Shooting someone in America is a last resort, FYI. Don't go throwing out words with nothing to back it up.

It is a last resort yes, but clearly not in some cases. I'm not going to base my opinion of a whole nation and be a hypocrite because of a bunch of cops, Ireland still treats women like shit and my government are dumb af. I was actually in college this week for a mini course and 2 Americans were studying in the college and were supervising the course I was at, a woman from Texas and a man from Boston I was talking to them about the police abusing firearms and they both said American police abuse guns at times and said cameras were needed. When I get back home I will put up some sources.

Police body cameras has been an argument in the U.S. for a while now, they have both good and bad arguments. For example it would be bad because it could invade privacy of people. However it's good because it could make officers behave better, knowing they are being evaluated. At the same time though it could be bad because it pressure police and they may not make a call due to the pressure. Some departments are converting to cameras though.

Me personally, I don't care if they are there or not, the thing that gets me is the fact that only a few incidents happen and then the rest of the world is all like "OMG AMERICAN COPS SHOOT FIRST." they rarely even use lethal force, and the thing is, officers here have to stay on top of all situations ALL the time. America is a dangerous place, generally more dangerous than other first world countries (people don't start nagging me on gun control). Most US Police do their jobs properly. You guys think that we have a harsh police force, but you do not experience the kind of crime we do. I think that our police are excellent, if I'm correct crime has actually fallen over the years due to it.

(Dec 15, 2015, 08:04 PM)Judge Rage Wrote:

(Dec 12, 2015, 06:44 AM)Preditor Wrote:

(Dec 11, 2015, 06:13 PM)Dauntless Wrote:

(Dec 9, 2015, 05:42 PM)AVenom Wrote:

(Dec 7, 2015, 04:11 PM)Dauntless Wrote: In the video which we are talking about the man was surrounded by police. He was not in the middle of stabbing people, so the police should have no reason to shoot him dead. Of course if they are putting other peoples lifes at risks they should be stopped by any means necessary, if 2 terrorists were attacking London a firearms unit would be called in as normal police do not have guns and they would be apprehended by them or normal police could try to take them on. You clearly miss-read my post, this isn't Israel and America shooting someone is a last resort and is done by professionals, not ordinary police. Police are trained to tackle people with knifes without guns.

Shooting someone in America is a last resort, FYI. Don't go throwing out words with nothing to back it up.

It is a last resort yes, but clearly not in some cases. I'm not going to base my opinion of a whole nation and be a hypocrite because of a bunch of cops, Ireland still treats women like shit and my government are dumb af. I was actually in college this week for a mini course and 2 Americans were studying in the college and were supervising the course I was at, a woman from Texas and a man from Boston I was talking to them about the police abusing firearms and they both said American police abuse guns at times and said cameras were needed. When I get back home I will put up some sources.

Police body cameras has been an argument in the U.S. for a while now, they have both good and bad arguments. For example it would be bad because it could invade privacy of people. However it's good because it could make officers behave better, knowing they are being evaluated. At the same time though it could be bad because it pressure police and they may not make a call due to the pressure. Some departments are converting to cameras though.

Me personally, I don't care if they are there or not, the thing that gets me is the fact that only a few incidents happen and then the rest of the world is all like "OMG AMERICAN COPS SHOOT FIRST." they rarely even use lethal force, and the thing is, officers here have to stay on top of all situations ALL the time. America is a dangerous place, generally more dangerous than other first world countries (people don't start nagging me on gun control). Most US Police do their jobs properly. You guys think that we have a harsh police force, but you do not experience the kind of crime we do. I think that our police are excellent, if I'm correct crime has actually fallen over the years due to it.

get some gun control then boi

In Scotland we have little gun crime, but what we have is a knife culture - which is why you won't find police here wearing bullet-proof vests instead it's stab proof because 90% of the time they need to worry about being stabbed, and not shot. 

We deal with knife crime often, and our police certainly know what they're doing when it comes to knives.

(Dec 16, 2015, 01:31 AM)Preditor Wrote:

(Dec 15, 2015, 08:04 PM)Judge Rage Wrote:

(Dec 12, 2015, 06:44 AM)Preditor Wrote:

(Dec 11, 2015, 06:13 PM)Dauntless Wrote:

(Dec 9, 2015, 05:42 PM)AVenom Wrote: Shooting someone in America is a last resort, FYI. Don't go throwing out words with nothing to back it up.

It is a last resort yes, but clearly not in some cases. I'm not going to base my opinion of a whole nation and be a hypocrite because of a bunch of cops, Ireland still treats women like shit and my government are dumb af. I was actually in college this week for a mini course and 2 Americans were studying in the college and were supervising the course I was at, a woman from Texas and a man from Boston I was talking to them about the police abusing firearms and they both said American police abuse guns at times and said cameras were needed. When I get back home I will put up some sources.

Police body cameras has been an argument in the U.S. for a while now, they have both good and bad arguments. For example it would be bad because it could invade privacy of people. However it's good because it could make officers behave better, knowing they are being evaluated. At the same time though it could be bad because it pressure police and they may not make a call due to the pressure. Some departments are converting to cameras though.

Me personally, I don't care if they are there or not, the thing that gets me is the fact that only a few incidents happen and then the rest of the world is all like "OMG AMERICAN COPS SHOOT FIRST." they rarely even use lethal force, and the thing is, officers here have to stay on top of all situations ALL the time. America is a dangerous place, generally more dangerous than other first world countries (people don't start nagging me on gun control). Most US Police do their jobs properly. You guys think that we have a harsh police force, but you do not experience the kind of crime we do. I think that our police are excellent, if I'm correct crime has actually fallen over the years due to it.

get some gun control then boi

In Scotland we have little gun crime, but what we have is a knife culture - which is why you won't find police here wearing bullet-proof vests instead it's stab proof because 90% of the time they need to worry about being stabbed, and not shot. 

We deal with knife crime often, and our police certainly know what they're doing when it comes to knives.

(Dec 16, 2015, 01:33 AM)GRiiM Wrote:

(Dec 16, 2015, 01:31 AM)Preditor Wrote:

(Dec 15, 2015, 08:04 PM)Judge Rage Wrote:

(Dec 12, 2015, 06:44 AM)Preditor Wrote:

(Dec 11, 2015, 06:13 PM)Dauntless Wrote: It is a last resort yes, but clearly not in some cases. I'm not going to base my opinion of a whole nation and be a hypocrite because of a bunch of cops, Ireland still treats women like shit and my government are dumb af. I was actually in college this week for a mini course and 2 Americans were studying in the college and were supervising the course I was at, a woman from Texas and a man from Boston I was talking to them about the police abusing firearms and they both said American police abuse guns at times and said cameras were needed. When I get back home I will put up some sources.

Police body cameras has been an argument in the U.S. for a while now, they have both good and bad arguments. For example it would be bad because it could invade privacy of people. However it's good because it could make officers behave better, knowing they are being evaluated. At the same time though it could be bad because it pressure police and they may not make a call due to the pressure. Some departments are converting to cameras though.

Me personally, I don't care if they are there or not, the thing that gets me is the fact that only a few incidents happen and then the rest of the world is all like "OMG AMERICAN COPS SHOOT FIRST." they rarely even use lethal force, and the thing is, officers here have to stay on top of all situations ALL the time. America is a dangerous place, generally more dangerous than other first world countries (people don't start nagging me on gun control). Most US Police do their jobs properly. You guys think that we have a harsh police force, but you do not experience the kind of crime we do. I think that our police are excellent, if I'm correct crime has actually fallen over the years due to it.

get some gun control then boi

In Scotland we have little gun crime, but what we have is a knife culture - which is why you won't find police here wearing bullet-proof vests instead it's stab proof because 90% of the time they need to worry about being stabbed, and not shot. 

We deal with knife crime often, and our police certainly know what they're doing when it comes to knives.

Scotland cops be like



except their accent isn't quite as good...

(Dec 18, 2015, 09:35 AM)jarz Wrote: People cry "GUN CONTROL! MORE GUN LAWS!"

That's exactly what America doesn't need, and Obama the Fuck up fails to realize this.

Why are you going to create gun laws, which presses only on the law abiding citizens, when criminals don't literally give a rats fuck about them?

(Dec 18, 2015, 08:34 PM)Judge Rage Wrote:

(Dec 18, 2015, 09:35 AM)jarz Wrote: People cry "GUN CONTROL! MORE GUN LAWS!"

That's exactly what America doesn't need, and Obama the Fuck up fails to realize this.

Why are you going to create gun laws, which presses only on the law abiding citizens, when criminals don't literally give a rats fuck about them?

it makes it harder for them to fall into criminal's reach, as well as meaning they might be caught for gun offenses before they commit another offense
it works here but idk about america, it's different countries after all