(Mar 31, 2018, 08:35 PM)Overlewd Wrote: Opening lethal fire on the police when you don't even know if your friend is getting arrested or not is RDM.

(Mar 31, 2018, 08:35 PM)Overlewd Wrote: The assailants did not 100% know that one of theirs was being arrested, he was not even handcuffed. 

(Mar 31, 2018, 09:00 PM)ForceGhost Wrote:

(Mar 31, 2018, 08:35 PM)Overlewd Wrote: Opening lethal fire on the police when you don't even know if your friend is getting arrested or not is RDM.

Lethal fire was used upon officers returning fire, not because anyone was getting arrested.

So just for clarification, if officers and SWAT are shooting at you because another officer was tranquillised you are not allowed to fire back in this situation?

No, that's not the point. Please read what I wrote before, I can't really put it any clearer. The police were engaged on with an invalid reason. I was willing to more-or-less overlook that if only non-lethal weapons were used, but they were not.

(Mar 31, 2018, 08:35 PM)Overlewd Wrote: The assailants did not 100% know that one of theirs was being arrested, he was not even handcuffed. 

Also for future clarification, what would you count as being sure someone is being arrested? Being handcuffed doesn't mean you're going to be arrested.

E.g you know for a fact that the police have caught the person on a very serious violation and they are cuffed and there is no chance they won't be arrested (e.g murder). Or you or someone who can communicate with you is standing nearby and can confirm that an arrest warrant was sent, etc etc. Just a side note that it depends on the arrest reason as well, for something minor you probably wouldn't want to start a shootout with the police.

(Mar 31, 2018, 09:00 PM)ForceGhost Wrote:

(Mar 31, 2018, 08:35 PM)Overlewd Wrote: Opening lethal fire on the police when you don't even know if your friend is getting arrested or not is RDM.

Lethal fire was used upon officers returning fire, not because anyone was getting arrested.

That was caused by a group of shooters firing on officers without solid evidence of the officers' intentions.

So just for clarification, if officers and SWAT are shooting at you because another officer was tranquillised you are not allowed to fire back in this situation?

You are if you know the situation will HAVE to escalate to that. In the situation described, the officers ran for cover, allowing the objective to escape. Even though the objective was complete, the shooters stayed back to shoot at already helpless targets.

(Mar 31, 2018, 08:35 PM)Overlewd Wrote: The assailants did not 100% know that one of theirs was being arrested, he was not even handcuffed. 

Also for future clarification, what would you count as being sure someone is being arrested? Being handcuffed doesn't mean you're going to be arrested.

Handcuffs, PM's, something solid. A cop talking or near your friend is not a sign of an arrest. The reason handcuffs are allowed is that when put in handcuffs, you are not allowed to leave the area. This can be forced detainment or an arrest. Both are unpleasing to criminals. Your friend talking to a cop shouldn't be worrying.

(Mar 31, 2018, 11:45 PM)Overlewd Wrote: If he walks up to you, cuffs you, says "You are under arrest for X and Y", and requests a warrant, sure.

(Mar 31, 2018, 11:47 PM)ForceGhost Wrote:

(Mar 31, 2018, 11:45 PM)Overlewd Wrote: If he walks up to you, cuffs you, says "You are under arrest for X and Y", and requests a warrant, sure.

By then it's too late, I can no longer communicate with my allies because I'm cuffed. Also because I'm instantly teleported to Jail there's not even a chance during transport to free me.

Your allies can go do some recon if you get cuffed. If they do not already know that you are being charged with something based on context, it is also their responsibility to check that what they are doing is justified and necessary. Also in this case if the Chief was certain you were getting arrested you'd be in handcuffs immediately.

Also there would be no request, seeing that the Police Chief was the highest ranking member of the Government at the time, the warrant would be instantly approved.

Should not be relevant towards your IC decision making.

Edit: It would be instantly approved, I was be teleported to jail and a raid would commence on the jails, leading to an even higher body count.

Actually given the amount of cops were on scene from what I gathered it was probably going to be a lower body count for a jail break, but I'm not going to speculate and ultimately it doesn't really matter.

(Mar 31, 2018, 11:35 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: Would you count being told by the Police Chief you're going to be arrested as something solid?

(Apr 1, 2018, 12:24 AM)Quest Wrote: Why are the teachers asking questions?
Shouldn't they already know?

(Apr 1, 2018, 12:24 AM)Quest Wrote: Why are the teachers asking questions?
Shouldn't they already know?

(Apr 1, 2018, 12:04 AM)Commander Sours Wrote: So in that case then, if ForceGhost is slapped with cuffs after he was told he was going to get arrested with the current scenario, would this with the slight change be allowed?