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RE: Staff and rule violations - Night - Dec 3, 2018
As the staff member who reviewed the case in-game before it went to staff-report, I didn't determine it to be malicious. The body move tool was (and still is) a very jittery system to work with. The slightest of movements can cause someone to be bodyslammed unintentionally, this has happened to other members of the team as well, not just Doc.
I feel you're just nitpicking old incidents because of what happened in the Discord earlier.
RE: Staff and rule violations - Kurdayeti - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:35 PM)Cole_ Wrote: No, because you're ignoring everything everyone is saying. The bodyslam was accidental. It was not intentional. Had anyone accidentally bodyslammed, they'd be verbally warned or not punished at all, regardless of if they're a member of staff or not.
Admittedly, I've accidentally bodyslammed before and I was told "just be more careful next time".
Don't try to change the subject, I'm not ignoring anyone as I respond to everyone. Also, watch the video and see if it really was accidental. Why did he even move him there, to begin with? Fishy.. nonetheless, he's an administrator so it's an advantage I suppose. --'
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:36 PM)Night Wrote: As the staff member who reviewed the case in-game before it went to staff-report, I didn't determine it to be malicious. The body move tool was (and still is) a very jittery system to work with. The slightest of movements can cause someone to be bodyslammed unintentionally, this has happened to other members of the team as well, not just Doc.
I feel you're just nitpicking old incidents because of what happened in the Discord earlier.
I don't care about the Discord part, read the discussion's title and text; nothing ties with Discord. Strawman fallacy is a thing also, just wanted to point that out.
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:35 PM)Pufitee Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:32 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:31 PM)Pufitee Wrote: hey cool that was my old base thats pretty cool brings back memories when i was a fat minge
btw doc is good
he is blessed
He's a good developer, no question about that but it doesn't mean he can bodyslam people freely.
r u pissed bc he shut u down on discord.
the bodyslam was a accident bro
I don't care about the Discord part, read the discussion's title and text; nothing ties with Discord. How do you connect those two?
@Doctor Internet (This post was last modified: 3 minutes ago by Doctor Internet. Edited 3 times in total. Edit Reason: Changed title. )
Don't change my title, it's my discussion and my post. Kthx.
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - pufitee - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:38 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:35 PM)Pufitee Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:32 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote: He's a good developer, no question about that but it doesn't mean he can bodyslam people freely.
r u pissed bc he shut u down on discord.
the bodyslam was a accident bro
I don't care about the Discord part, read the discussion's title and text; nothing ties with Discord. How do you connect those two?
bc u was rantin on discord to him cus u posted ur isis shit i think
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - Kurdayeti - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:41 PM)Pufitee Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:38 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:35 PM)Pufitee Wrote: r u pissed bc he shut u down on discord.
the bodyslam was a accident bro
I don't care about the Discord part, read the discussion's title and text; nothing ties with Discord. How do you connect those two?
bc u was rantin on discord to him cus u posted ur isis shit i think
Keep yourself to the subject, this is about something else and not even close to the Discord incident.
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - Kurdayeti - Dec 3, 2018
I'd like to add that I don't tolerate anyone to edit my discussions without any reason and this also applies to @Doctor Internet for changing the title of this discussion without any reason. Please behave maturely and properly as well as respecting criticism and discussions that you don't like. I want this to be a mature and polite discussion. If someone doesn't like this discussion, they can move on.
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - pufitee - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:42 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:k(Dec 3, 2018, 05:41 PM)Pufitee Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:38 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote: I don't care about the Discord part, read the discussion's title and text; nothing ties with Discord. How do you connect those two?
bc u was rantin on discord to him cus u posted ur isis shit i think
Keep yourself to the subject, this is about something else and not even close to the Discord incident.
on another note
i will baptize doc so he does not commit any murders again!!
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - Kurdayeti - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:48 PM)Pufitee Wrote: on another note
i will baptize doc so he does not commit any murders again!!
This is a serious discussion, if you don't keep yourself to the subject then you can just leave.
RE: Doctor Internet discussion - Doctor Internet - Dec 3, 2018
Good afternoon. My apologies for the short reply before, I was having a shit.
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:25 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:You have repeated priors, have misrepresented facts in your appeals, and repeatedly fail to show any actual improvements. The key part of an apology is learning what went wrong, and what could can improve upon. You don't get through a suspension by continuing to break rules.Quote:The accused staff-member has answered the questions and points in a way I find to be satisfactory and I believe he has explained and apologized for his behaviour in this case.
I apologize even more in my UBR's but they get denied.
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:25 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:You always have the option to make an appeal. From what I recall, you were repeatedly spoken to prior to the situation too. A staff report is not like an ingame violation. It's like a player report. You have to get information from both sides.Quote:The concernings points, in this case, have been raised, discussed and addressed.
I've spoken to the accused staff member about this situation.
Speak with me too then about the situation that got me permanently banned?
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:25 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:An administrator accidently breaking a rule due a system which doesn't work well, who apologised and has taken more care to ensure such a situation doesn't happen again in the future.Quote:Complaints like this help us improve.
What improved since apr 12, 2018, 02:11 AM? You stopped an administrator from breaking obvious rules by smashing someone on a wall while they're injured?
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:25 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:Again, a key part is learning how to improve. In the future, I know that if this situation happens again, which I hope it does not, I should apologise there and teleport them back.Quote: The accused staff member should have realized that he should have fixed this issue by bringing back the player and apologizing for the accident and inconvenience.
He didn't, so much for that addition.
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:26 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:Mistakes were made. However, if this was to be brought as a report today, it would be denied. It would be in violation of the rules. I'm sure you would want to follow the rules, aye?(Dec 3, 2018, 05:24 PM)Doctor Internet Wrote: Nothing, as by now it would be out of date for a PR. It was eight months old, after all.
Which means that it's completely fine and there were no mistakes or violations? So much for that argument.
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:27 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:Yeah. Kills are generally IC, unless they occur for poor RP reasons. Accidental kills, such as CDM or this case are generally left IC, so long as an effort is made. For CDM, that involves calling a medic. Since in the case, they died, there wasn't much that could be done.(Dec 3, 2018, 05:22 PM)Cole_ Wrote: Absolutely nothing. It's an in-character situation so you deal with it in-character, rather than wasting pointless time to post such a petty report. As well as that, the bodyslam was proven to be accidental.
Bodyslam = IC? Oh well...
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:28 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:Because it's a thread which came minutes after you ragequit the discord, after Nightmare told you to stop breaking the rules. It's not a discussion, it's you trying to vent your anger (which for some reason is directed at me). Chill out.(Dec 3, 2018, 05:27 PM)Cole_ Wrote: Way to blow everything out of proportion. If you made this thread to rant about a staff member, make another thread called Admin: Doctor Internet.
No, I just want to discuss and see what other people think about this subject. What's wrong?
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:31 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:29 PM)StephanGH Wrote: Bodyslamming isn't IC however it is an easy mistake to make. So they often dont punish unless there is clear intent shown.
No punishments were given for bodyslamming when the staff member did it, but some people even get ban for it without priors. If it was me, I'd be banned for it no matter how much I apologized. A staff apology is more worthy than a member apology, it seems like.
I went through the past 200 bans. There are 3 which mention bodyslaming. 1 was extended as they were already banned (so had recent priors), 1 was also for RapeRP on the corpses, and 1 was also for FearRP. So you're incorrect there.
If it was a genuine mistake, and you apologised, even with your record, you probably wouldn't be banned.
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:32 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:There has only been one instance of that, which was a mistake and I apologised for. I don't bodyslam people "freely", so I would ask you to retract that.(Dec 3, 2018, 05:31 PM)Pufitee Wrote: hey cool that was my old base thats pretty cool brings back memories when i was a fat minge
btw doc is good
he is blessed
He's a good developer, no question about that but it doesn't mean he can bodyslam people freely.
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:35 PM)Pufitee Wrote:Honestly, I'm surprised. Puf managed to boil it down. You're annoyed, so you made a hit-thread.(Dec 3, 2018, 05:32 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:31 PM)Pufitee Wrote: hey cool that was my old base thats pretty cool brings back memories when i was a fat minge
btw doc is good
he is blessed
He's a good developer, no question about that but it doesn't mean he can bodyslam people freely.
r u pissed bc he shut u down on discord.
the bodyslam was a accident bro
You're only making a fool out of yourself. Stop.
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - pufitee - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:49 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:48 PM)Pufitee Wrote: on another note
i will baptize doc so he does not commit any murders again!!
This is a serious discussion, if you don't keep yourself to the subject then you can just leave.
what r u going to do about it?
i just want to make doc a nice person and recruit him to my church
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - Kurdayeti - Dec 3, 2018
Quote:I feel you're just nitpicking old incidents because of what happened in the Discord earlier. - @Night
- You can feel and think whatever you want; doesn't change the fact.
- I don't care about your feelings to be fair, keep them to yourself, please.
- How do you connect this thread with the Discord incident when it has nothing to do with it at all?
@Night No need for provocation here, either from others or me. I want you to explain yourself more, of course, as you're coming after me for this. It's not an obligation and if you don't like this discussion like @Doctor Internet then I recommend you to leave the discussion.
RE: Doctor Internet discussion - BlackDog - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:27 PM)Kurdayeti Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:23 PM)BlackDog Wrote: Overall people need to stop complaining about IC actions in the OOC.
Since when is bodyslamming IC and not OOC?
Since always?
Why would bodyslamming a player be OOC? Its an IC action and can be done as such in mulitple situations.
Yes a player just KOing another and slamming them to death isnt allowed under the killright policies, but if you piss off the mob, and they have a killright on you, they absolutely can curbstomp your head or throw you off a cliff.
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - Cole - Dec 3, 2018
Honestly, just stop. You're clearly here out of blatant rage for what happened, rather than trying to call people out and make them look like an idiot. If you don't like people responding to your comments, you too can leave the discussion.
Criticism goes both ways, whether you like it or not.
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - pufitee - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:55 PM)Cole_ Wrote: Honestly, just stop. You're clearly here out of blatant rage for what happened, rather than trying to call people out and make them look like an idiot. If you don't like people responding to your comments, you too can leave the discussion.
Criticism goes both ways, whether you like it or not.
+support
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - Kurdayeti - Dec 3, 2018
Quote:Good afternoon. My apologies for the short reply before, I was having a shit.
You know what? Nobody cares about you having a shit. Good afternoon, by the way!
Quote:You always have the option to make an appeal. From what I recall, you were repeatedly spoken to prior to the situation too. A staff report is not like an ingame violation. It's like a player report. You have to get information from both sides
Keep yourself to the subject, this discussion is about something else.
Quote:An administrator accidently breaking a rule due a system which doesn't work well, who apologised and has taken more care to ensure such a situation doesn't happen again in the future.
A system that doesn't work well? Fix it, Doc. You're a developer.
Doesn't look like an accident: https://youtu.be/sSQ5hu8hxsc
Quote:Again, a key part is learning how to improve. In the future, I know that if this situation happens again, which I hope it does not, I should apologise there and teleport them back
This was his first experience and you didn't even bother apologizing. This is because you don't care about the players in LimeLight.
Quote:Mistakes were made. However, if this was to be brought as a report today, it would be denied. It would be in violation of the rules. I'm sure you would want to follow the rules, aye?
I also made a mistake in the ban @Welker issued to me by shooting at a car that I was allowed to but accidentally shot at another car that drove next to the car I was shooting at. I was banned for RDM and general probation was issued. Really?
Quote:Yeah. Kills are generally IC, unless they occur for poor RP reasons. Accidental kills, such as CDM or this case are generally left IC, so long as an effort is made. For CDM, that involves calling a medic. Since in the case, they died, there wasn't much that could be done.
Bodyslam is not IC, it's a clear violation. I'd even tie it like prop killing. Is it an accident if an administrator makes it but not when a member makes it?
Quote:Because it's a thread which came minutes after you ragequit the discord, after Nightmare told you to stop breaking the rules. It's not a discussion, it's you trying to vent your anger (which for some reason is directed at me). Chill out.
I'm chilled and this thread is not associated with Discord at all. How can people connect this?
Quote:There has only been one instance of that, which was a mistake and I apologised for. I don't bodyslam people "freely", so I would ask you to retract that
Sure, you bodyslam and apologize then fine. Someone else do it, ban or permanent warning.
Quote:You're only making a fool out of yourself. Stop.
You're annoyed, not me. Look at your response and by the way; how do you connect this with Discord? You're making a fool of yourself by saying that you just had to shit and therefore you didn't have time to respond quickly. None wants to know what you do in the toilet, at all.
RE: Admin: Doctor Internet - Kurdayeti - Dec 3, 2018
(Dec 3, 2018, 05:58 PM)Pufitee Wrote:(Dec 3, 2018, 05:55 PM)Cole_ Wrote: Honestly, just stop. You're clearly here out of blatant rage for what happened, rather than trying to call people out and make them look like an idiot. If you don't like people responding to your comments, you too can leave the discussion.
Criticism goes both ways, whether you like it or not.
+support
+Support = no argument.