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RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Bunny_ - Oct 20, 2018

(Oct 20, 2018, 01:55 PM)Bambo Wrote: Agreeing and so on is all nice, however is there any further evidence to show context into the situation?

For example, for the demotion of Luvbunny, it's stated that you tazed the president, which you did.

Anyone else that was demoted that provided a reason that was not aligning with what Wesley stated?

You might like to have a look at the laws log. He reintroduced laws that he was told not to, even under the cover of "only being restricting", which in other words is forbidding it anyways; Protersters will not follow the orders of who they are protesting against, will they?

Also might like to have a look at the broadcasting logs as he put up pressure by setting deadlines and everyone to do as he said or "there would be consequences".

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Bambo - Oct 20, 2018

I've checked the laws and also the broadcasts.

The deadline pressure was there for an unarmed protest.

Quote:v2b [00:37:20] Kurdayeti (STEAM_0:1:82662812) used command "broadcast A peaceful protest cannot be done with weapons, put down your weapons if you want it to be legitimate!"

Quote:v2b [00:38:13] Kurdayeti (STEAM_0:1:82662812) used command "broadcast I have hired 2 SSA Agents for my safety as well, put down your weapons or your protest will be counted as illegitimate."

Quote:v2b [00:46:12] Kurdayeti (STEAM_0:1:82662812) used command "addlaw All government workers shall never protest while on duty. Doing so is an illegal act and will be seen as an betrayal to the country. It shall be punished by a demotion and an arrest."

There's only two instances of a demotion as far as I can see.

1 - A police officer pointing a gun at him

2- A police officer/chief tazing him.

Nothing tying into the Protest directly, which is what I believe Wesley told off on.

For example, if Kurdayeti demoted someone due to them Protesting, sure, but these had different reasons.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Bunny_ - Oct 20, 2018

He was constantly lying over the fact that someone did point anything at anyone.

You may consult the witnesses about that.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - StephanGH - Oct 20, 2018

-- Involved before the Crash --

When the President first came to negotiate, I swapped from my Detective Kit to my Weapon and instantly to my fists (All of these are on the number 2 slot)

I don't use scrollwheel to change weapons, I have that disabled. So this was my only way, the weapon was lowered and was taken out of my hands within 1 second. However the President then claimed I put him under gunpoint. So what Luvbunny said is also true.

He also many times before stated that we were shooting and doing other activities that were illegal when we did no such thing.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Oneshott - Oct 20, 2018

He didnt get the chance to demote more as people either left or raided him at the point of making that law.

Claiming its more realistic for the PD to strike without uniform is utter malarkey in my opinion. It was the DEPARTMENT as a WHOLE.

Pretty simply this is Kurdayeti

1. Lying in Admin sit.
2. Ignoring Moderators orders as soon as said moderator is offline.
3. Going to the border (and in my opinion over) the dictator line.
4. Ignoring PEACEFUL protests for hours, spewing a bunch of propoganda in broadcast that makes people even more angry, and once he has SSA strong arm people to the point they decide to KILL him, and dance on his corpse (This was after I left). Thats how far he went into making people unhappy within the city. Thats how far he went to ignore protests and NOT work with government. Demanding we take off uniform would diminish the protests and make them useless. We were on strike against how he ran the country. Ignoring that and hiding away till you have gathered a force to squash it, is not democratic, it is dictatorial.

He tried making up the tiniest excuses, even claiming we had plans to arest or execute him publicly. Look up those in the logs as well please if we are going to be pointing out things that were said. Arguing this was a democratic president, is in my opinion, an argument that can not be made.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Kurdayeti - Oct 21, 2018

It does not matter, you can bring how many witnesses you want and you can agree how much you want but you need to prove it. Anyone can say whatever they want, but it doesn't mean it's true. Just like I said, you guys are making these vast accusations without backing it up with proof, while I back my claims, arguments, and actions with concrete evidence.

None was demoted or punished for protesting against the President. There were two demotions which were legitimate and appropriate; one officer for pointing a gun at me and the Chief for tazing me as well as shooting at my SSA. Two of the officers were a threat to me and I had all the right to demote them. This also shows that this was not a peaceful protest.

I never ignored Moderator's orders, I would do that if I did demote someone for protesting, just like @Bambo said.

"There's only two instances of a demotion as far as I can see.

1 - A police officer pointing a gun at him

2- A police officer/chief tazing him.

Nothing tying into the Protest directly, which is what I believe Wesley told off on. "

- @Bambo

Bring all the witnesses you want, agree on all you want and say whatever you want; but you need to prove it. I have proven mine, have you?

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Kurdayeti - Oct 21, 2018

(Oct 20, 2018, 01:55 PM)Bambo Wrote: Agreeing and so on is all nice, however is there any further evidence to show context into the situation?

For example, for the demotion of Luvbunny, it's stated that you tazed the president, which you did.

Anyone else that was demoted that provided a reason that was not aligning with what Wesley stated?

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Bunny_ - Oct 21, 2018

(Oct 21, 2018, 11:24 AM)Kurdayeti Wrote: It does not matter, you can bring how many witnesses you want and you can agree how much you want but you need to prove it. Anyone can say whatever they want, but it doesn't mean it's true. Just like I said, you guys are making these vast accusations without backing it up with proof, while I back my claims, arguments, and actions with concrete evidence.

None was demoted or punished for protesting against the President. There were two demotions which were legitimate and appropriate; one officer for pointing a gun at me and the Chief for tazing me as well as shooting at my SSA. Two of the officers were a threat to me and I had all the right to demote them. This also shows that this was not a peaceful protest.

I never ignored Moderator's orders, I would do that if I did demote someone for protesting, just like @Bambo said.

"There's only two instances of a demotion as far as I can see.

1 - A police officer pointing a gun at him

2- A police officer/chief tazing him.

Nothing tying into the Protest directly, which is what I believe Wesley told off on. "

- @Bambo

Bring all the witnesses you want, agree on all you want and say whatever you want; but you need to prove it. I have proven mine, have you?

The first officer was seemingly demoted for no reason whatsoever because he didnt fit your doctrine.
You were the agressor and your SSA attmpted to arrest citizens and pointed weapons at them.

Repeatedly stating this is lying in a player report and you are being reported for that as such.

You were ignoring the orders of Wesley being:

Do not set up the unrealistic law that police officers can have any weaponry and remove it.
You are not allowed to demote any officer related to the protest.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Kurdayeti - Oct 21, 2018

@"Luvbunny"

"Do not set up the unrealistic law that police officers can have any weaponry and remove it."
I did not ignore this and actually removed the law about non-lethal weaponry.

Evidence of me removing the law and complying with @Wesley Lawrence:

https://youtu.be/OXllZWZIXQw

You don't need to take up your forum report on me here, it's unnecessary. By the way, you're reporting me for lying without proving that I've lied while you just lied here?

Also, I never demoted anyone because they protested but for other reasons. I've demoted 2 officers only and the reasons have been stated by both me and @Bambo.

This shows that the "peaceful protest" did not have any ground and any reason to protest further either as their requests were taken into consideration and the law that they complained about was REMOVED.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Bambo - Oct 21, 2018

@"Luvbunny" @Oneshott

What caused you to think it was a dictatorship?

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Bunny_ - Oct 21, 2018

(Oct 20, 2018, 12:06 AM)Oneshott Wrote: Ignoring of government employee's advices and concerns, Insulting and threatening of said employees, Demanding "tests of loyalty" through disarming the whole police force, edging the border of dictatorship with extremist laws and refusing proper conversation, walking out on negotiations multiple times, demanding everything was done on his terms.

The entire police department agreed with that, and I imagine some of them will comment on this fact, half the server by the end was a part of the protest.

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(Oct 20, 2018, 12:12 AM)Luvbunny Wrote: I can confirm @Oneshott 's side of the story.

Kurdayeti has repeatedly ignored the orders of the moderator Wesly (Do not demote protesting officers, do not enforce completely unrealistic laws).

He demoted a peacefully protesting officer after setting up such laws again and after that - me.

In all Kurda acted childish, nearly hopped ooc without being asked to do so all of the times (This is FailRP, Ive got Screenshots, PR ... are things he said all the time.)

Quote:I can confirm @Oneshott 's side of the story.

Kurdayeti has repeatedly ignored the orders of the moderator Wesly (Do not demote protesting officers, do not enforce completely unrealistic laws).

He demoted a peacefully protesting officer after setting up such laws again and after that - me.

In all Kurda acted childish, nearly hopped ooc without being asked to do so all of the times (This is FailRP, Ive got Screenshots, PR ... are things he said all the time.)

Quote:I believe that Kurdayeti violated following rules during his time as a dictator:
11.8 - Being a dictator without administrative permission.
3.4 - Powergaming: Demoting police officers while he had no power (every government worker but him were protesting) and setting up laws designed to just get others kicked off the job. I believe this is due to prior arrest that were conducted on him.
3.3 - FailRP: Setting up unrealistic laws
3.4 - Powergaming: Demoting people over unrealistic laws.
3.3 - FailRP: Constantly saying things like "I have screenshots" or "This is FailRP" or "You cant do that".
3.3 - FailRP: Acting like a person with godlike powers while he had not a single government official not protesting that could possibly enforce it.
3.3 - FailRP: Calling lockdowns without anyone being there to enforce it.
3.4 - Powergaming: Setting the taxes to 20% because "some protester was playing the piano"

Insulting LEOs heavily. (Shut the fuck up, etc etc)
Refusing to meet with the Sheriff to talk about the issues they had with him.
Threatening to demote constantly via deadlines, laws that were meant to stop the protest. "Restricting" it is nothing but to forbid it.
Ordering SSA to attempt to perform arrest or even point weapons at us to obey.
Showing agressive behaviour towards us all of the time.
Demoting a LEO with faulty reason. (He was not agressive nor did he point a weapon as far as im concerned)
Propaganda 'ing in broadcast all the time: Lying about our protest and lying about us being non peacefull.
Generally attempting to enforce dictatorial doctrines (Such as disarming all officers, demoting who doesnt agree with him, trying to get unlawful arrests going ("Oh noone is in jails, you dont do your job"), threaten those who opposed him without violence WITH violence and jailtime) against all other government workers solo style.
Violently stopping the protest by demoting their LEOs (Which he did in one case) or by any other means was forbidden by a moderator in an administrative sit when the entire situation started as it was deemed that if he'd do so it would be counted as a dictatorial act which he would require permission for - He did so anyways (Both set up the law and demoted, put pressure on us by setting deadlines, lying about us in Broadcast and so on) -> Therefore dictator in our eyes.

Quote:Devis Leall

Dictatorship implies absolute power — one person who takes control — of a political situation, a family, a classroom or even a camping expedition. In government, a dictatorship leaves no room for input from anyone who is not the top guy or gal.

Thats the definition of dicatorship. You were a president yet you refused to implement laws. You refused to listen to any suggestions by the PD were rude and commanded them constantly. When they tried to input suggestions you ignored them and when we tried to contact you for a discussion you refused and made up stupid arguments as not to listen. You then demoted half the force after demanding that it was illegal for us to protest and go on strike, you then used this to demote us. You demoted me, a peaceful member of government, for being involved and putting in peaceful laws that effected both sides. After this we moved in as a group of over half the server at first to execute you on the grounds that you took the position and used it for absoloute power and did nothing to listen to your workers or governemnt.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Kurdayeti - Oct 21, 2018

@"Luvbunny"

I did not insult the LEOs, can you prove that I did?
I did not refuse to meet up with the Sheriff, I actually did and I removed the law about non-lethal weaponry as they requested. I already showed a video of me removing the law if you would pay attention to my reply.
The laws didn't make the protest illegal and therefore doesn't stop it; read the laws again.
I never ordered SSA to arrest you guys or point guns at you guys; can you prove that I did? Were anyone arrested for protesting? No.
How did I show aggressive behavior against the protestors? An explanation backed up with proof would be smart, as you're just throwing words right now.
I did demote him for pointing a gun, can you prove that the demotion was false? Nonetheless, it would be Powergaming if I'd demote him for protesting but I did not.
You guys were never peaceful, especially you and I have proven it with concrete evidence (screenshots and videos) as well as @Jompe with his video.
I never disarmed all the officers and I can't disarm them; what are you talking about? The non-lethal weaponry law was dealt with @Wesley Lawrence and I already removed it. I have video of me removing it if you scroll up as well, what evidence do you have?
Demoting is not violence and the reasons for the demotions were very clear. One was demoted for pointing a gun at me and you were demoted for tazing me (which you did, there's a video about you doing it, logs and @Bambo clarification".

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Kurdayeti - Oct 21, 2018

You guys are making those vast accusations without any evidence to back up your claims. I back up my claims, actions, and arguments with concrete evidence. Just like I said, the protestors did not have any ground nor reason to protest further as their requests were taken into consideration and the law that they complained about was REMOVED.

https://youtu.be/OXllZWZIXQw

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Bunny_ - Oct 21, 2018

Your apparent proof are nip picked pieces, either cut videos or some Screenshots. All aggression took place after the protest ended, all of the proof you provided were things going on that happened after the protest. You've never proven anything in that regard.

My final statement is as following:
When the literal entire server is against you you might think there is a reason for it. I don't see presidents being executed on a daily basis by every leo and citizen. It was probably you that provoked it by ignoring our protest, being ignorant and agressive towards us. In fact, you've been so here aswell: Lying, twisting facts, telling me to read the rules or anything better apparently, insisting on HR to conclude this, spamming PRs yourself to seek personal revenge over everything you can find.

The others have provided proof, lots of witnesses, even one of them being a member of this team.

As for me I think I've said enough and no further statements are required.

RE: PR -> Kurdayeti - Dewis Leall - Oct 21, 2018

I was involved and was among the ones demoted. Id like to say you follow every part of the definition of a dictator.
Dictatorship implies absolute power — one person who takes control — of a political situation, a family, a classroom or even a camping expedition. In government, a dictatorship leaves no room for input from anyone who is not the top guy or gal. The noun comes from the late 14th century Latin word, dictare, which means to "repeat or say often." In a dictatorship, one person keeps repeating the same command: "My way or the highway."

You refused to listen to myself or any officers, made up excuses for coming to talk to us and demoted people for not agreeing or for being on strike. You didnt even talk to people before making demotions you just did it. You were rude and impolite to police which is what made us strike and you commanded your government and didnt treat us like humans. You began using the government as a machine that furthers your power not as people who help protect your citizens whome you were also ignoring.