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RE: German Elections 2017 - Nebula - Sep 26, 2017 (Sep 26, 2017, 07:31 PM)Lord Octagon Wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/773832/Muslim-asylum-seeker-life-sentence-murder-landlady I dont know if you have the right point of view. Its not like that this happens everywhere and everytime. In my area or around 100 km i know just one thing in a big city that a refugee attacked someone. After that logic in the UK everday trucks are driving in crowds of people. RE: German Elections 2017 - Hungames - Sep 26, 2017 whichever party is gonna shut the borders from "refugees" should win. i dont know anything about german politics. too many parties. just have 2 main ones and then the rest of the people can choose from the other random ones. RE: German Elections 2017 - Rizion - Sep 26, 2017 (Sep 26, 2017, 07:31 PM)Lord Octagon Wrote: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/773832/Muslim-asylum-seeker-life-sentence-murder-landlady Wow, Just wow. To begin with: half of the websites probably posted made up stories. I do that think that a News-Website called "themuslimissue" or "therebel" is objective or only a tiny bit serious. If I only look at the titles ''allahu-akbar-another-attack [...]" Let's say we can ignore 3/4 of the links your friendly provided us with. You should set them into comparison with how many incidents of this kind happen in Germany generally. Your post was completely out of context and I can't, under any circumstances, understand how someone is afraid that Germany will turn into an Islamic state. In the end I would like to add that freedom of religion is a main of a democracy. RE: German Elections 2017 - Hungames - Sep 27, 2017 (Sep 26, 2017, 08:42 PM)Rizion Wrote: Wow, Just wow. hey let me guess the quran is fully peaceful refugee rape gangs don't exist all muslims are peaceful islamic terror is offensive all refugees are peaceful This map is definitely completely fake ![]() How much did I get correct? RE: German Elections 2017 - Soviethooves - Sep 27, 2017 Hindenburg's death was shame. Hopefully a better leader takes the office. RE: German Elections 2017 - Rizion - Sep 29, 2017 (Sep 27, 2017, 08:33 PM)Hungames Wrote:This map isn't fake but completely out of context!(Sep 26, 2017, 08:42 PM)Rizion Wrote: Wow, Just wow. This map is typical right wing propaganda. Just to name one thing: It doesn't only show terror attacks committed by radical-islamistic terrorists but by terrorists in general. I'd like to hear your reply on this one. @Hungames RE: German Elections 2017 - Hungames - Sep 29, 2017 (Sep 29, 2017, 07:32 PM)Rizion Wrote:(Sep 27, 2017, 08:33 PM)Hungames Wrote:This map isn't fake but completely out of context!(Sep 26, 2017, 08:42 PM)Rizion Wrote: Wow, Just wow. That is not completely out of context in any way. Yes, it does include terrorism such as IRA attacks in Northern Ireland and separatist attacks in Ukraine and Chechnya, but if you look at the right areas (Iraq, Northern African countries, Israel, etc.) you can find lots and lots and lots and lots of radical islamic terror. Paris, London, and numerous German cities, you see dots. Many of those dots are islamic terror. Sidenote: I tried to use the other more widespread map but I couldn't find it on imgur interactive map of 2017: https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/?year=2017 RE: German Elections 2017 - Eclipze - Sep 29, 2017 (Sep 27, 2017, 08:33 PM)Hungames Wrote:(Sep 26, 2017, 08:42 PM)Rizion Wrote: Wow, Just wow. Hungames, I know you're a right winged pro-trumpist but let me ask you. Do you actually live in one of these areas or have you visited one? Well I do, I live in a supposedly "no-go zones" in Sweden, Malmö. Malmö is supposedly the most dangerous city in Western Europe with a death rate per capita of 3.4 while London has around 1.0 per capita. Now from my point of view, growing up here and being active here I have not seen a single rape or heard about one for really long. Does rapes occur? Of course they do, they do everywhere by psychopaths. Now listen, in Sweden for example rape is a completely different thing that out of borders. In Sweden you can simply touch someones shoulder and its counted as rape if the person reports it. Now alot of girls actually do, some even does it for benefits when nothing has really happened. Now all of these "rapes" falls on the list of rapes. Im not defending people who rape, I actually thing they are disgusting and should not be a member of society but rather be imprisoned. Growing up amongst only immigrants or foreigner, myself included I can say its very different than Swedes. In the place I live there is alot of social problems such as unemployment, drugs, crimes etc. Now it has been like this since the 70's, 80's. When my parents grew up it was even worse, and it was almost only Yugoslavians in Malmö at the time. An American journalist even traveled to Malmo, spoke to alot of people living in these "no-go zones" and guess what they all answered? Its calm here. It is really calm actually, the ones getting killed and effected by the crimes in Sweden are the criminals themselves, they are the ones getting shot, they are the ones overdosing and getting caught, not normal civilians. Media even compares Malmo to Chicago which is a freaking joke. And the US isnt even that bad either if you compare it to the South American countries, no country in Europe falls on the list of the worlds most dangerous countries or any city neither. The only countries and cities lays in South America, North America or South Africa. So dont come throw shit on Europe when you actually got bigger problems in the US. How would you feel if the media started writing that shit is destroying America, which it does. If I remember correctly around 400,000 die each year from the US weapon laws, so many dies from smoking, cancer and other heart diseases which is often caused by obesity, hell even a couple of thousand dies from falling off their beds. Shall I also mention how many dies from poverty in the US? And how many children that die because of the school shootings, when I think of the US I usually think about school shootings because its so fucking common. And yea shall I mention how many people you kill out of your borders? In foreign countries so you can earn your capital. America basically trade blood for money. How many dies because of your shitty healthcare system? Your school system either puts people in depth, criminal life or a small minority succeeds. So please Hungames, you can start by complaining about your own country, that is caused by your OWN people. Then come along and complain about Europe and the middle east, last time I checked the only times you were intressed in the middle east or europe was when you either could get money, oil or military access. Also shall I tell how much weapons you trade with the Saudis? Who later on gives them to ISIS, also how the CIA created Al-Qaida to fight the Soviets because the americans were afraid of the Soviets. Stop complaining about these "muslims" destroying the world and fix your problems first in the US then we can talk. RE: German Elections 2017 - Soviethooves - Sep 30, 2017 TL:DR: @Hungames you can't have valid arguments with people on the internet anymore unless you want a wall of text. RE: German Elections 2017 - Hungames - Sep 30, 2017 Quote:Hungames, I know you're a right winged pro-trumpist Right wing yes. Was Trump the best possible Republican candidate? No. Is it a good thing that we have a Republican in office and a majority in congress? Yes. Quote:Do you actually live in one of these areas or have you visited one? No. Why would I go somewhere that I know is dangerous? I don't go to Mexico for vacation because it's dangerous. Quote:Malmö is supposedly the most dangerous city in Western Europe with a death rate per capita of 3.4 while London has around 1.0 per capita. Now from my point of view, growing up here and being active here I have not seen a single rape or heard about one for really long. Does rapes occur? Of course they do, they do everywhere by psychopaths. Now listen, in Sweden for example rape is a completely different thing that out of borders. In Sweden you can simply touch someones shoulder and its counted as rape if the person reports it. Now alot of girls actually do, some even does it for benefits when nothing has really happened. Now all of these "rapes" falls on the list of rapes. Im not defending people who rape, I actually thing they are disgusting and should not be a member of society but rather be imprisoned. Malmo is a pretty dangerous city. Not as bad as Chicago or St. Louis based on death rate per capita, but yes, it's dangerous. Rape in Sweden is a hard thing to look at. People do go to police and report they were raped, when they weren't. The police are required to document it even if it may not be true. This inflates statistics and often falsifies them. Quote: Growing up amongst only immigrants or foreigner, myself included I can say its very different than Swedes. In the place I live there is alot of social problems such as unemployment, drugs, crimes etc. Now it has been like this since the 70's, 80's. When my parents grew up it was even worse, and it was almost only Yugoslavians in Malmö at the time. An American journalist even traveled to Malmo, spoke to alot of people living in these "no-go zones" and guess what they all answered? Its calm here. It is really calm actually, the ones getting killed and effected by the crimes in Sweden are the criminals themselves, they are the ones getting shot, they are the ones overdosing and getting caught, not normal civilians. If you ask the locals, they will often say it's calm. If you are used to high crime and normal attacks, it eventually becomes just another day. Unless something really bad happens, it's "calm". Quote:Media even compares Malmo to Chicago which is a freaking joke. And the US isnt even that bad either if you compare it to the South American countries, no country in Europe falls on the list of the worlds most dangerous countries or any city neither. Chicago is a terrible place. Gangs everywhere and tons of murders. There are some nice parts, but its a REALLY, REALLY dangerous city. The murder rate per capita of Chicago is wayyy higher than Malmo. Ukraine is one of the most dangerous cities in the world according to this article by INSIDER. They are a European country so that statement is effectively false. Quote:How would you feel if the media started writing that shit is destroying America, which it does. They write everyday about how terrible America is. Your statement disproved itself? "Which it does" Quote:If I remember correctly around 400,000 die each year from the US weapon laws, so many dies from smoking, cancer and other heart diseases which is often caused by obesity, hell even a couple of thousand dies from falling off their beds. Am I reading this right? 400,000? FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND?? 0.1% of our population doesn't die every year from gun violence. Let's get some accurate statistics right now. Total Deaths from Firearms (2014): 33,594 Breakdown: Unintentional: 461 Suicide: 21,386 Homicide: 11,008 Undetermined: 275 Legal intervention/war: 464 The breakdown results in 63.7% suicide and 32.8% homicide. Suicidal people will find a way to end their lives. Whether its guns, knives, etc, there is always a way. Guns were just used by many. The homicides link to gang violence and drug violence. Again, if these people wanted to kill someone, they could find another way. Stats: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf Quote:Shall I also mention how many dies from poverty in the US? Poverty is existent in every country, developed or undeveloped. We can't just give money to the poor because that doesn't work. It inflates the economy and hurts the working class. Some statistics: https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/how-many-us-deaths-are-caused-poverty-lack-education-and-other-social-factors Quote:And how many children that die because of the school shootings, when I think of the US I usually think about school shootings because its so fucking common. School shootings are not extremely common. There are around 30 school shootings per year that are assaultive in nature and result in death or injury. There are around 3 assault/murder and attempted/completed suicide events per year. These people will get their weapons legally or illegally. Even if we limited magazine capacity, which would only hurt law abiding citizens, the deaths wouldn't change. https://everytownresearch.org/reports/analysis-of-school-shootings/ Quote:And yea shall I mention how many people you kill out of your borders? In foreign countries so you can earn your capital. America basically trade blood for money. Yes we kill people outside our borders, much like tons of other developed nations. It's called war and covert operations. The CIA is the more well known covert agency, but other European nations have them too. And no, we don't need to trade blood for money. We do pretty well without killing people to keep our businesses running. Quote:How many dies because of your shitty healthcare system? No one has perfect systems, especially healthcare systems. In the capitalistic society that we live in, our healthcare is going to be offered in the free market. You buy the better stuff, the government doesn't give it to you. Quote:Your school system either puts people in depth, criminal life or a small minority succeeds I'm guessing you meant debt. Our school system doesn't only do those three things. We don't teach kids to become criminals. They become criminals because of socioeconomic issues that we can't just instantly fix. The government can't just stop Chicago's kids from joining gangs. It doesn't work like that. You pay for school, you pay for nearly everything. Debt comes with this often. A small minority of people become very successful. That's how capitalism works. If everyone was successful, there would be no incentive to work harder than your peers. Quote:So please Hungames, you can start by complaining about your own country, that is caused by your OWN people. I love my country, but we have issues. I complain about them. I can also complain about other countries that may negatively impact the US. Quote:Then come along and complain about Europe and the middle east, last time I checked the only times you were intressed in the middle east or europe was when you either could get money, oil or military access. We were interested in the Middle East and Europe when bad things were happening, or our financial interests were in danger. We are capitalists. We like our money. We don't only intervene in issues so that we benefit. We help our allies too. Quote:Also shall I tell how much weapons you trade with the Saudis? We recently settled on an agreement to sell military equipment to the Saudis for hundreds of billions of dollars. It's a step forward in relations between the US and Saudi Arabia. Why is trading with the Saudis inherently bad? It can be beneficial for the US and the Saudis. Quote:Who later on gives them to ISIS, also how the CIA created Al-Qaida to fight the Soviets because the americans were afraid of the Soviets. We can't control what happens with another country's arsenal. We aren't omnipotent. The CIA didn't directly create Al-Qaeda. The CIA helped to fund the Mujahideen who fought against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. After the soviet withdrawal and the fall of the government, many Mujahideen fighters wanted to fight in other Islamic struggles. They formed Al-Qaeda along with many other terrorist organizations. Quote:Stop complaining about these "muslims" destroying the world and fix your problems first in the US then we can talk. I am entitled to my opinion on foreign and internal affairs. I am able to point out when certain groups of people are negatively affecting others. I don't need to have a perfect country to be able to point out issues in others. That's my nice wall of text. Here's a beautiful song now: Edit: Learned a bit about the election. AfD should get 100 percent support. Best party RE: German Elections 2017 - Rizion - Sep 30, 2017 (Sep 29, 2017, 08:59 PM)Hungames Wrote:Erm, don't know where to start. It clearly is COMPLETELY out of context. You can't say: 'Look at this map - no muslims, no terror' and don't even add that it shows terror attacks in general, not only those committed by extremist Islamists.(Sep 29, 2017, 07:32 PM)Rizion Wrote:(Sep 27, 2017, 08:33 PM)Hungames Wrote:This map isn't fake but completely out of context!(Sep 26, 2017, 08:42 PM)Rizion Wrote: Wow, Just wow. "but if you look at the right areas (Iraq, Northern African countries, Israel, etc.) you can find lots and lots and lots and lots of radical islamic terror" That's not how it works! You can't say, that people should elect the AfD because of all the islamistic terror in Europe and then tell us to look at North-Africa. Just not valid. Also: If you didn't know yet - Israel doesn't have that many terrorist attacks because it let Muslims immigrate into their country. It has nothing to do with immigration. I'd happily explain to you what happened in Israel but you can also just google before you use out of context arguments like these! "Paris, London, and numerous German cities, you see dots. Many of those dots are islamic terror." Do you realize that you are just saying stuff you don't have sources or facts to back them up? Let's take Germany (that's where I live) as an example: On the map, we see 22 red dots. (I hope I did count right) Sadly I can't anything online about which data this map uses. But let's take a look at this Wikipedia article. It lists 27 terror attacks since 1970. To get a reference to our map we will just take a look at the 22 most recent ones. 3 of those attacks were committed by Islamists, 3 by the 'Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant', 1 by Lybian Agents, and another terror attack by Palestinian nationalists. 8/22 committed by Muslims while you can stretch out the last two as they had no religious motive. So 6/22 Islamist terror attacks since 1977. And then you wanna use a map like that to show that we should close the borders? This shows that it is waaaaaaay out of context! @Hungames RE: German Elections 2017 - Murdoch Murdoch - Sep 30, 2017 (Sep 30, 2017, 08:30 AM)Rizion Wrote:(Sep 29, 2017, 08:59 PM)Hungames Wrote:Erm, don't know where to start. It clearly is COMPLETELY out of context. You can't say: 'Look at this map - no muslims, no terror' and don't even add that it shows terror attacks in general, not only those committed by extremist Islamists.(Sep 29, 2017, 07:32 PM)Rizion Wrote:(Sep 27, 2017, 08:33 PM)Hungames Wrote:This map isn't fake but completely out of context!(Sep 26, 2017, 08:42 PM)Rizion Wrote: Wow, Just wow. This is clearly more than just Islamic terror attacks. The sea of red in Ireland and Northern Ireland is likely owing to the troubles. However, aside from this anomaly, regardless of whether the terrorist attacks are Islamic or not, there's a definitely a strong correlation between terror attacks and a strict border policy. I use this example time and time again, but look at Poland. RE: German Elections 2017 - Hungames - Sep 30, 2017 (Sep 30, 2017, 08:30 AM)Rizion Wrote: "Paris, London, and numerous German cities, you see dots. Many of those dots are islamic terror." 2017 Hamburg Stabbing attack 2016 Berlin Truck Attack 2016 Wurzburg Train Attack 2016 Ansbach Bombing 2016 Bombing in Essen 2016 Hanover stabbing 2015 Stabbing of a German Policewoman 2011 Frankfurt Airport Shooting 1982 Berlin Bombing 1972 Munich Massacre 1970 Munich PDFLP Attack It isn't just about what happens specifically in your country. It's about looking at the attacks in your country AND similar allied countries. Germany should be looking at England, France, and other similar nations. Also, the "refugees" are not limited to terrorism. Take this for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany#International_reaction RE: German Elections 2017 - Preditor - Sep 30, 2017 Lol this thread. Can't stump the Trump. RE: German Elections 2017 - Bambo - Sep 30, 2017 Closed as requested by the poster. |