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RE: George Floyd - goigle - Jun 4, 2020
not only that, he called 911 because he was off his medication and needed help and the cops laughed at him when he passed out under their weight.
obviously there are still racist cops, but police brutality happens to everyone. I always think back to that video where the cops kept giving that guy commands in the hotel hallway and then blasted him away because he was crawling backward and his basketball shorts kept falling down and he tried to pick them up. cop had "you're fucked" written on the dust cover of his rifle but evaded charges
RE: George Floyd - C Lee - Jun 4, 2020
(Jun 4, 2020, 12:48 PM)Tails Wrote:(Jun 4, 2020, 10:59 AM)Quest Wrote: 13 People arrested out of the thousands protesting on the streets - sounds so violent to me.
In a riot, police only arrest the leaders of the mob - the ones who are instigating violence and "hyping up the crowd". If they tried to go for everyone, they would be overwhelmed almost immediately. This is one of the reasons why mass rioting (not protesting) is done in large numbers, because people know they will get away with it 95% of the time.
On another note, I like how nobody even acknowledge the link that goilge posted showing a white man being killed in the same manner 3 years ago, does anyone remember those riots?
The number of people killed by police without justification is so low that comparisons like this are legitimate and necessary because they highlight the point that these killings aren't racially motivated. Obviously people will ignore things like Goigle linked. I asked my friends if they heard about this incident before, and almost of all them were shocked. But the conversation soon changed when I told them it was a white person
Sure, in the last 20 years there has been examples of racially motivated killings. But you can count them on one hand. And they aren't limited to white on black. As people have provided adequate proof here. Racism exist everywhere in all races and cultures.
Poor police training is not racist. Bad cops kill people of all races, but no one wants to acknowledge that. A lot of people (Not all) see George Floyds death as another example of the white man taking away from the black community. When in actuality the black community takes away from the black community, more than white people or police do.
A white man is more likely to be killed by a black man than a black man is to be killed by a white man. The same way a white man is as likely to die to a white man as a black man is likely to die to a black man.
Black on Black crime, and white on white crime is literally the same and is the bigger issue. People are dying because they commit/engage in crime. And most of this crime happens in areas largely affected by the rocky economic history that is found in almost all countries.
Again this issue far exceeds the conversation we are having. Its not a racial issue. Its an economic issue, which policing is a very, very small part of. Again, what was it. Less than 20 unarmed people shot and killed last year, of which 9 were black, and 3 were unjustified and resulted in jail time for the officers.
3 People isn't bad going all things considered. Its like Climate Change protest. The issue is there, no one denies that but people focus on small things that make no difference. The message and the resolve is convoluted because no one wants to rationalise the issue and talk about it, the way it is. Because reality is offensive.
If you truly want to solve bad policing, maybe introduce training through out the job to maintain good standards. Maybe include cultural awareness? But all in all that will stop less than 0.12% of black deaths in America each year.
The real goal should be improving the living standards, bringing people out of the poverty line. Improving education and opportunities. We shouldn't be scared of the fact that black people commit a lot of crime, so do white people. We should embrace it as an issue and work towards resolving. Not scapegoat the issue onto and blame the police for literally doing their job.
Also I want to highlight why I focus on the idea that these protest are anti-police. Its because largely they are. In the UK a lot protesters are holding signs that say "Defund the police" (Which is actually a problem pertaining to people dying as less funding equates to worst standards and training, so this idea solves nothing) and "Fuck the police". And prior to the protest spreading abroad, companies like Discord said they support the cause and highlighted policing as an issue.
No one has really been saying its an economic issue, which it is.
RE: George Floyd - C Lee - Jun 4, 2020
(Jun 4, 2020, 03:56 PM)goigle Wrote: not only that, he called 911 because he was off his medication and needed help and the cops laughed at him when he passed out under their weight.
obviously there are still racist cops, but police brutality happens to everyone. I always think back to that video where the cops kept giving that guy commands in the hotel hallway and then blasted him away because he was crawling backward and his basketball shorts kept falling down and he tried to pick them up. cop had "you're fucked" written on the dust cover of his rifle but evaded charges
I actually don't care about the dust cover thing, but that's me. Words are meaningless to me. To be honest, If I was American and had guns. I'd probably have something equally "awful" written on my gun. Shit, that would have the second amendment written on the mag, a bald eagle on the side, and it would be wrapped in an American Flag. I ain't even religious but, heck I'd have the quote from Pulp Fiction on there as well. But with all that said;
The guy shot in the hotel was awful. They could of used techniques I thought would of been standardised at the point (Or maybe they were and that cop was just a concave skull) As in; Interlaced fingers behind head, and walk back to the sound of my voice. But they didn't. They told him to do mental gymnastics. But again, bad policing is bad policing.
Edit: He wasn't charged? That's even shittier.
RE: George Floyd - goigle - Jun 4, 2020
(Jun 4, 2020, 04:35 PM)Andromeda Wrote: I actually don't care about the dust cover thing, but that's me. Words are meaningless to me. To be honest, If I was American and had guns. I'd probably have something equally "awful" written on my gun. Shit, that would have the second amendment written on the mag, a bald eagle on the side, and it would be wrapped in an American Flag. I ain't even religious but, heck I'd have the quote from Pulp Fiction on there as well. But with all that said;
Edit: He wasn't charged? That's even shittier.
I don't care what's written on personal guns, but a department rifle is another thing. It's unprofessional at best
(Jun 4, 2020, 04:12 PM)Andromeda Wrote: No one has really been saying its an economic issue, which it is.
RE: George Floyd - give me the gamemode - Jun 4, 2020
(Jun 4, 2020, 05:01 PM)goigle Wrote:(Jun 4, 2020, 04:35 PM)Andromeda Wrote: I actually don't care about the dust cover thing, but that's me. Words are meaningless to me. To be honest, If I was American and had guns. I'd probably have something equally "awful" written on my gun. Shit, that would have the second amendment written on the mag, a bald eagle on the side, and it would be wrapped in an American Flag. I ain't even religious but, heck I'd have the quote from Pulp Fiction on there as well. But with all that said;
Edit: He wasn't charged? That's even shittier.
I don't care what's written on personal guns, but a department rifle is another thing. It's unprofessional at best
(Jun 4, 2020, 04:12 PM)Andromeda Wrote: No one has really been saying its an economic issue, which it is.
"Im tiny because you're white" Hahahahaha
RE: George Floyd - C Lee - Jun 4, 2020
RE: George Floyd - give me the gamemode - Jun 4, 2020
(Jun 4, 2020, 07:30 PM)Andromeda Wrote:
I've just incited a mass riot, looted 3 family-run stores and burned down a church and you're telling me it wasnt even racism that killed him?
RE: George Floyd - C Lee - Jun 5, 2020
Two of the officers had less than a week on the job, and the officer who had restrained Floyd was their teacher
RE: George Floyd - goigle - Jun 5, 2020
If they were on the job under a week I feel like that's more on the PD for having such a shitty trainer
Quote:Lane was also new to the job, only on the force for four days when the incident occurred, his attorney Earl Gray claimed. His lawyer said that Lane twice asked Chauvin, a training officer, “Shall we roll him over?” He also expressed concern that Floyd may be in “delirium.”
“What is my client supposed to do other than follow what the training officer said?” Gray said in court.
RE: George Floyd - C Lee - Jun 5, 2020
(Jun 5, 2020, 03:07 AM)goigle Wrote: If they were on the job under a week I feel like that's more on the PD for having such a shitty trainerAre we implying that bad police training kills people? :D
Quote:Lane was also new to the job, only on the force for four days when the incident occurred, his attorney Earl Gray claimed. His lawyer said that Lane twice asked Chauvin, a training officer, “Shall we roll him over?” He also expressed concern that Floyd may be in “delirium.”
“What is my client supposed to do other than follow what the training officer said?” Gray said in court.
Because apparently they were told not to do what he was doing. And I won't lie, I'm not entirely sure how anyone would react if you saw your trainer doing that, to a man high on narcotics who had (Apparently) resisted arrest. Would you speak up to them? There are psychological factors here, that I personally don't think we could ever evaluate despite their significance.
RE: George Floyd - Zombie - Jun 5, 2020
(Jun 3, 2020, 09:04 PM)Faustin Wrote:
Why is no one talking about the latter? Are black lives more important than asian lives now?
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Maybe because the former is in a democratic country where it's legal to protest?
Or just maybe it took a nationwide civil unrest, protests, riots, looting, the involvement of the national guard in the most richest, most powerful developed country in the world for him and the other police officers get fired and charged? Like others mention, it's not the murder of Floyd that caused the civil unrest, the murder only sparked it. This was coming, the black community were tired of it for decades and time to time they protested, rioted, looted and made noise and it brought no significant changes. Now? The murder sparked something so bad that made Trump threaten martial law, with protests and riots all across the 50 states and countries from all over the world, this is huge.
A large portion of the population were clearly tired, angry, getting hostile, felt discriminated, they had enough. It was such an obvious sign of a growing civil unrest and no one took them serious, and ignored them or showed sympathy then forgot about everything a week later, they were tired of not seeing changes. So it took a camera to spark a civil unrest that wanted to see not just Derek facing charges, but also Alexander, Thomas, and Tou. And guess what? all 4 police officers are now facing charges, not just Derek. After this, there's no way there will be any police officer getting acquitted or slapped on the wrist again without burning the fucking country.
RE: George Floyd - C Lee - Jun 5, 2020
(Jun 5, 2020, 04:22 PM)Zombie Wrote:(Jun 3, 2020, 09:04 PM)Faustin Wrote:
Why is no one talking about the latter? Are black lives more important than asian lives now?
Maybe because the former is in a democratic country where it's legal to protest?
Or just maybe it took a nationwide civil unrest, protests, riots, looting, the involvement of the national guard in the most richest, most powerful developed country in the world for him and the other police officers get fired and charged? Like others mention, it's not the murder of Floyd that caused the civil unrest, the murder only sparked it. This was coming, the black community were tired of it for decades and time to time they protested, rioted, looted and made noise and it brought no significant changes. Now? The murder sparked something so bad that made Trump threaten martial law, with protests and riots all across the 50 states and countries from all over the world, this is huge.
A large portion of the population were clearly tired, angry, getting hostile, felt discriminated, they had enough. It was such an obvious sign of a growing civil unrest and no one took them serious, and ignored them or showed sympathy then forgot about everything a week later, they were tired of not seeing changes. So it took a camera to spark a civil unrest that wanted to see not just Derek facing charges, but also Alexander, Thomas, and Tou. And guess what? all 4 police officers are now facing charges, not just Derek. After this, there's no way there will be any police officer getting acquitted or slapped on the wrist again without burning the fucking country.
You're right, it is a democratic country. Shame not enough people use that democratic systems given to them to insight change.
RE: George Floyd - brave soldier - Jun 5, 2020
its really missed up....
and trump said he gona get the us army to stop all of this and alot of countries will see america weak AF now and they will try to fuck with it and it wont end up good
RE: George Floyd - brave soldier - Jun 5, 2020
(Jun 3, 2020, 09:04 PM)Faustin Wrote:
Why is no one talking about the latter? Are black lives more important than asian lives now?
You are right. alot of arabs is getting exhausted in : palestine , sirya , iraq , lebnon , egypt , sodan ,libya and alot more. but have u seen anyone talking about it? like bro i swear i live in palestine and every single day i hear about person getting killed by zionist soldier but nobody talks about it
from week a person wtih dawn syndrome has been killed by stupid soldier its not the first time and nobody talked about it...
RE: George Floyd - Zombie - Jun 5, 2020
(Jun 5, 2020, 05:30 PM)brave soldier Wrote:"every single day I hear about person getting killed"(Jun 3, 2020, 09:04 PM)Faustin Wrote: -snip-
You are right. alot of arabs is getting exhausted in : palestine , sirya , iraq , lebnon , egypt , sodan ,libya and alot more. but have u seen anyone talking about it? like bro i swear i live in palestine and every single day i hear about person getting killed by zionist soldier but nobody talks about it
from week a person wtih dawn syndrome has been killed by stupid soldier its not the first time and nobody talked about it...
Every single day? can you be more specific? do you know any details?