(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ] (May 14, 2021, 02:24 PM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ] (May 13, 2021, 11:52 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]He was 99,
Yeah, he lasted a long time.
(May 13, 2021, 11:52 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]a royalty
So?
(May 13, 2021, 11:52 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]racist
Citation Needed?
He's said some whack shit, but seemingly aimed to break ice, rather than as an attempt to denigrate people?
Especially when he's also done things specifically to promote inclusivity such as the D of E award, and worldwide activism (such as founding the World Wildlife Fund).
Unless you're implying a person who has done any racist thing, knowing or unknowingly, for any reason, positive or negative, is a racist, ignoring anything else they do.
(May 13, 2021, 11:52 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]and result of incest.
Citation Needed.
(May 13, 2021, 11:52 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but I can't feel bad for the dude.
Also, I don't think anyone actually gives a shit.
Maybe you don't give a shit, but he's done a lot of good both in the UK and abroad.
First:
He, indeed has said many racist things and I do not believe that creating awards (something that many rich or powerful people do) make these remarks towards past British colonies, that his ancestors have siphoned for resources, any less powerful.
My ancestors were likely part of the apparatus which made the slave trade run, being from a major port city.
Do I have to repent for what they've done?
If I do something, does that make it worse?
Shouldn't we be judging people by the content of their character, not by their ancestry?
I also don't believe you've actually taken not of anything I said there, especially when it's quite clear you don't actually know what half of what I've said is, and just handwaved it aside, when one was a worldwide effort and the other not only promotes inclusivity but
also worked internationally.
(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]I, for one, do not think that being racist in these cases can be a positive thing
Perhaps you could directly quote me, I don't recall calling racism a positive thing?
I'll be explicit for you.
Racism. Is. Bad.
Racists. Are. Bad.
However, we also can see nuance, I'll use an example to make it easier.
Having a gram of weed on you is illegal. Having a kg of weed on you is more illegal.
Inadvertently being racist, making "gaffs" is bad, and should be corrected. Being deliberately racist, thinking that other races are below your own, is worse. Trying to exterminate those races, even worse than that.
If we can agree on that, it comes down to whether we think that positives and negatives of a person can out-weigh each-other, and how bad the act of being racist is, especially if you were growing up in a time when that was more common. Doubly so when it's a comment a few times per decade?
Again, just to make it clear for you. I'm not say it's right, or that it's good.
I'm saying, it was rare for the comments to occur at all, when they did, they weren't normally racially directed.
To come in here yelling "he was a inbred racist. who gives a fuck", bit of an overreaction, bit lacking in nuance.
Especially when, as others pointed out, it was over a month ago.
(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]or considered breaking the ice.
Again, I believe you've taken what I've said out of context.
I said that's what the attempt was.
I don't disagree that racism is bad, but I disagree with jumping to conclusions.
Saying something racist doesn't mean you're a racist.
Does it need correcting? Yes.
Does that make them a bad person? Maybe not.
(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]Also, if I recall correctly, I am not alone in these thoughts, as he was a very polarizing figure in the UK.
There's lots of polarizing figures in the UK.
Just by the act of being a Royal he was polarizing.
(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]Here are some quotes:
"It looks like the kind of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons," (While being shown Ethiopian art)
This would have been 1965? Perhaps I'm miss-reading your quote, I'm not seeing any racism here?
It's a critique of art, or possibly praise, I don't know how good an artist his daughter was.
(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]“It looks as if it was put in by an Indian” (pointing at an old-fashioned fusebox in a factory near Edinburgh).
Yep, and this is indefensible.
(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]“So who's on drugs here?... He looks as if he's on drugs” (To a group of boys at a Bangladeshi youth club)
I feel like I'm missing context for this, as I've seen this exact joke made when I was at University.
I'm not seeing the racism here again?
(May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM)Markus Wrote: [ -> ]Second:
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Okay?
Do you know who your 3rd Cousins are?
Your parents, parents, parents, parents children's, childrens, childrens, children.
There's an average share of <1% of DNA between third cousins.
Honestly, I'd have expected better from you, than a hit-piece over essentially nothing.
First Cousins are incest, but aren't even banned everywhere.
Second cousins generally aren't.
Third cousins are even further than that.
(also he wouldn't be the
product of incest, since, ya know he married back into the line, not a child from relations.)