(Nov 19, 2018, 09:50 PM)Montyfatcat Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov 19, 2018, 09:48 PM)Lord Octagon Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov 19, 2018, 05:38 PM)Montyfatcat Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't Islam also Abrahamic?
Islam is bad.
Scripture wise what makes it different from Catholicism?
Islam differs fundamentally from Catholicism. Particularly on in its views of God, Jesus and plenty of moral issues. Why else is Muslim persecution of Christians increasing in the Middle East and elsewhere?
Whilst Vatican II affirms that both Muslims and Catholics worship the same God, they did not state that both have the same doctrine of God. They stated that Muslims 'profess' to hold the faith of Abraham but did not state they actually hold it.
If you take a look at the Qur'an and the tradition surrounding Islam, God is presented vastly different than that presented in the Bible and that the Holy Mother Church preaches. It's therefore not reasonable to say that God is the same being in both faiths.
One of the key differences between Catholic and Islamic doctrine of God is that
Islam rejects the Trinity. The Qur'an specifically denies the Trinity.
Quote:“People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the messenger of God, and his Word that he committed to Mary, and a spirit from him. So believe in God and his messengers, and say not, ‘Three.’ Refrain; better is it for you. God is only one God. Glory be to him—that he should have a son! To him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian” (4:171)
I won't dissect this verse here so as to not bore you, but you should get the jist of things.
Islam rejects the divinity of Jesus and teaches that Jesus was not God incarnate, nor was he the son of God. In fact, they believe the Crucifixion did not happen.
You might argue that Jews also reject the Trinity. But Catholics acknowledge that God in both Judaism and Christianity are the same, we of course share the Old Testament. There is a huge gap, however, between God in Islam and God in Christianity. We share no common scripture, and whilst Muslims state that Jew and Christians worship the same God as they do, they say both faiths have a
highly corrupted view.
Islam rejects the idea of divine fatherhood in any sense. Allah is not the father of Christ as they say it would be an insult for Jesus to be his son. Interestingly they say God cannot have a son as he had no wife, grossly misunderstanding the meaning of divine fatherhood. Islam also rejects the idea that we as human beings are the children of God, in fact the Qur'an ridicules Christians and Jews for this view.
So in Islam, God is not the father of human beings. A Muslim sees God as the master of the universe and the humans beings are his slaves. The
main feature of Islamic religious observance is obedience, not transformation of the heart and soul. In Islam, you should fear God. In Christianity, God is loving and merciful.
Another crucial difference between Catholicism and Islam is that in Catholicism, evil is the rejection of God. Yet,
in Islam, God is both the source of good and evil. For evil to exist in the soul, Allah must have placed it there. This would be an unthinkable concept to Christians, since evil is the absence of God.
Therefore, Islam throws the very goodness of God into doubt, as well as the nature of what is good.
The grand and powerful Christian conception of a God who is love and who endowed his human creatures with freedom so that they could respond to him in love and who sacrificed himself in order to overcome impediments to their ability to do so is replaced by the idea of a remote God who placed, for reasons unexplained, inclinations toward both good and evil within man’s heart.
Muslims consider it blasphemous to suggest that God must always be good.
As for morality, there are several issues where Islam and Catholicism clash.
Artificial conception. In Islam, sex is independent from procreation and it goes as far to say that coitus interruptus is an acceptable method of contraception. In Catholicism, marriage, sex and procreation go hand-in-hand.
Abortion. Islam has varying views on the subject but most scholars permit abortion up to a certain fetal stage. In Catholicism, abortion is outright prohibited.
Marriage. Well, I think you know the situation with this one...
Overall, Islam is vastly different than Catholicism.