The staff-members have received your unblacklist-request, Kurdayeti.
It will take a while for it to be reviewed.
Hey Kurd. I helped Wesley to review this case, so I'll be giving my input.
From what I saw, one of your group opened up the inner keypad, and the others began shooting down the corridor. Without the use of that door, you would not have seen them. They may not have entered, having seen the secondary door. They may have been the far end of the corridor, on either side. However, your group's fire was concentrated directly on where he was.
Furthermore, the inner keypad was not being cracked, so I'm unsure where your claim that
Quote: When he started cracking the other keypad, we knew exactly where he was
comes from. If this is incorrect, I would suggest rectifying your appeal.
Have a good evening,
It's very logical to think that he will crack the second keypad when he has cracked the first keypad, especially if you take into consideration how this base is designed and built. His intention was obviously to take our weed so it's logical that he will crack the second keypad. This means that it is a higher chance of him being next to the keypad than not. Plus, the area is so small so that the white crosshair almost covers all of it and it is hard to miss any shots as well.
The second keypad being cracked must either be a misunderstanding of the first one or in general. Nonetheless, the one-way prop was not done for me to use it as an advantage and I do not know why the guy used this one-way prop anyways. It wasn't even my plan, I just went along with it. I did not use it to my advantage, at all, even if it seems like it.
The only thing I can do is to tell what's the truth but it's all up to you if this appeal should be approved or not. I can only hope for the best and wait. Sorry if there's any misunderstandings or anything disturbing the RP in-game; I really don't want that.
Kindest Regards,
Kurdayeti
Quite frankly I'd consider yourself very lucky that your probation wasn't enforced, as we've already had a run in which I gave you the benefit of the doubt for. Had it been me reviewing, which it very nearly was if I wasn't dragged away from investigating it by stuff that was going down in real life, it would have been enforced.
Surely when you built this, you must have felt somewhat off using that door. Especially considering the following rule:
Quote:8.4 - Props with one-sided textures are only allowed to be used as a window, and you are not allowed to shoot through a one-sided window when defending.
Your behaviour with the door matches exactly verbatim of what that rule says. I'm not sure why we're contesting this. You shot through a one way prop, thus violating the rule.
I'll speak with Wesley prior to conclusion, but seeing how I took a glance at this too, I thought I'd provide my input.
(Oct 31, 2018, 10:43 PM)Night Wrote: [ -> ]Quite frankly I'd consider yourself very lucky that your probation wasn't enforced, as we've already had a run in which I gave you the benefit of the doubt for. Had it been me reviewing, which it very nearly was if I wasn't dragged away from investigating it by stuff that was going down in real life, it would have been enforced.
Surely when you built this, you must have felt somewhat off using that door. Especially considering the following rule:
Quote:8.4 - Props with one-sided textures are only allowed to be used as a window, and you are not allowed to shoot through a one-sided window when defending.
Your behaviour with the door matches exactly verbatim of what that rule says. I'm not sure why we're contesting this. You shot through a one way prop, thus violating the rule.
I'll speak with Wesley prior to conclusion, but seeing how I took a glance at this too, I thought I'd provide my input.
That's not my prop, none of the props are my props and I don't even know how to make such a prop where you can see inside it from one side but not from the other. 8.5 is the reason for the blacklist, not 8.4 and you've misunderstood something here. 8.4 was issued to someone else, 8.5 is issued to me but I've explained and proven this to be wrong; therefore the blacklist of 8.5 violation shall be removed.
Like I said before,
"The only thing I can do is to tell what's the truth but it's all up to you if this appeal should be approved or not. I can only hope for the best and wait. Sorry if there's any misunderstandings or anything disturbing the RP in-game; I really don't want that."
Also, none of us shot through that and you've misunderstood this completely.
can clarify this too, none shot through it.
"8.5 - Bases which have extremely unfair advantages for the defending party, including but not limited to: crouch/prone-only entrances, mazes, long narrow corridors, entrance keypads being visible by the defenders, and others, can be considered a Doomfort and aren't allowed. A member of staff has the final say in whether a base is a doomfort or not – make an @ call to ask if you are unsure."
Let's run by the pointers in this rule quote:
- Extremely unfair advantage for the defending party (using a one-way prop), check;
- Long (medium in this case) narrow corridors, check;
- Entrance keypad(s) visible by the defenders (through the one-way prop), check.
SickBennyAlex was seen using this dupe in a previous scenario, however, we weren't aware at the time that the second door in the hallway was a one-way prop. You, however, spent enough time around SickBennyAlex' dupe yesterday to have been able to warn him about the prop. You have enough hours and hopefully after your many interactions with staff, enough understanding of the rules. Instead, you decided to ignore the fact the prop was there and use the prop to your advantage by being able to see exactly what's going on in the hallway and where the other party was located.
I decided to give your friend SickBennyAlex a blacklist from PTE for actually building and using the dupe and yourself a blacklist from Weapons, as you actually willingly and knowingly used a section of the dupe to your advantage.
To add, your argument stating that it's ''common sense'' that there was someone in the hallway after the party had keypad-cracked your door is invalid as the party could've tapped out after realizing people might've been located inside. You knew the party was inside, where the party was inside and aimed/shot directly at the party as soon as the door was opened, therefor wrongfully using the one-way door prop to your advantage.
Is there any other screenshot, recorded evidence or statement you'd like to submit before I'll request someone to evaluate and conclude this appeal?
(Nov 1, 2018, 06:35 PM)Wesley Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ]"8.5 - Bases which have extremely unfair advantages for the defending party, including but not limited to: crouch/prone-only entrances, mazes, long narrow corridors, entrance keypads being visible by the defenders, and others, can be considered a Doomfort and aren't allowed. A member of staff has the final say in whether a base is a doomfort or not – make an @ call to ask if you are unsure."
Let's run by the pointers in this rule quote:
- Extremely unfair advantage for the defending party (using a one-way prop), check;
- Long (medium in this case) narrow corridors, check;
- Entrance keypad(s) visible by the defenders (through the one-way prop), check.
SickBennyAlex was seen using this dupe in a previous scenario, however, we weren't aware at the time that the second door in the hallway was a one-way prop. You, however, spent enough time around SickBennyAlex' dupe yesterday to have been able to warn him about the prop. You have enough hours and hopefully after your many interactions with staff, enough understanding of the rules. Instead, you decided to ignore the fact the prop was there and use the prop to your advantage by being able to see exactly what's going on in the hallway and where the other party was located.
I decided to give your friend SickBennyAlex a blacklist from PTE for actually building and using the dupe and yourself a blacklist from Weapons, as you actually willingly and knowingly used a section of the dupe to your advantage.
To add, your argument stating that it's ''common sense'' that there was someone in the hallway after the party had keypad-cracked your door is invalid as the party could've tapped out after realizing people might've been located inside. You knew the party was inside, where the party was inside and aimed/shot directly at the party as soon as the door was opened, therefor wrongfully using the one-way door prop to your advantage.
Is there any other screenshot, recorded evidence or statement you'd like to submit before I'll request someone to evaluate and conclude this appeal?
I didn't deny the one-way prop to be an unfair advantage to us, it is an unfair advantage. I'm not denying this, but, I never used it to my advantage. The corridor is not long nor is it too narrow in my opinion, like we can see in the screenshot. To run to the end of it takes you around 3 seconds.
Quote:- Extremely unfair advantage for the defending party (using a one-way prop), check;
- Long (medium in this case) narrow corridors, check;
- Entrance keypad(s) visible by the defenders (through the one-way prop), check.
I did know about the one-way prop and I did tell him to change it but he didn't. He isn't obliged to listen to me as I'm not a staff member and I can't do anything more about this other than telling him. I know it's a violation, but I thought it wasn't my obligation to get out of there or force him to do anything as I'm not a staff member. I never ignored the fact that the one-way prop was there, he was told about it by me.
I was exactly where SickBennyAlex was because that's where my weed and his weed were; we made our weeds there. The one-way prop was still there and someone was breaking in. He was killed relatively easy because of these reasons:
- It's only one way in, so we know exactly where he is coming from and we can hear the first keypad being cracked. This is enough for us to know where he is coming from, don't you think so?
- He is obviously going to be where the keypad is because you can't crack it otherwise, we know where the keypad is because we use it and we get in and out of the dupe.
I knew the party was there because I heard the keypad cracking and the fading door opens up. It's obvious that he is there and if he cracks the first one he needs to crack the second one, he doesn't do it for fun certainly.
I never used the one-way door to my advantage as I already warned SickBenny about this and I'm aware that it's against the rules; however I didn't know I could get punished for it because it's not my prop. Nonetheless, I did warn him and I did not use the one-way prop to my advantage. Why would I risk that while I'm on probation?
It's all up to the staff if this should be approved or not. The only thing I can do now is to hope for the best.
You never did a .// or regular chat to SickBennyAlex notifying him of the one-way door prop. You guys only briefly exchanged Discord IDs and from there on, probably continued talking over Discord. Because we can't check whether or not you notified SickBennyAlex about this over Discord, it'll be an argument I can't help you with.
You also never notified a staff member after SickBennyAlex purposely leaving his one-way door prop there, even ''after you warned him about it'' like you stated. Instead, you willingly and knowingly hung around it and used the prop as if it was a part of the dupe.
I also never said the corridor was too long, however, it was narrow. Even if it wasn't narrow, it still doesn't explain how you so accurately shot at the attacking party nor does it explain how you had a hundred percent certainty the attacking party was inside.
Like I said, the attacking party could've stopped the breaking and entry after realizing there were people inside. You couldn't be sure of that, but because of the one-way door prop, you were.
Anyhow, as you agree the prop gave you three an extremely unfair advantage, you never contacted us about the one-way door prop and used said one-way door prop to your advantage, I personally don't see reason to remove the blacklist from your record.
You were both bound to be punished for the usage. SickBennyAlex got a PTE-blacklist because he actually built it and you got a Weapons-blacklist for willingly and knowingly using the one-way door prop to your advantage.
As you didn't add any further recorded, screenshot or other statements as evidence, and your closing statement is:
Quote:It's all up to the staff if this should be approved or not. The only thing I can do now is to hope for the best.
I'll now forward the thread to those who can evaluate and conclude it.
Reviewed and denied.
After reading through comments made prior to mine, I believe that this punishment is valid and will stand as issued by Wesley. You used the door to pre-aim, as you mentioned, which is using it to your advantage - defeating what you originally stated in your OP that you didn't.
You also have a level of responsibility when playing to inform the staff if a rule violation is happening, and then leave it to us to investigate. As Wesley mentioned, this should have been reported. See below quote.
Quote:You also never notified a staff member after SickBennyAlex purposely leaving his one-way door prop there, even ''after you warned him about it'' like you stated. Instead, you willingly and knowingly hung around it and used the prop as if it was a part of the dupe.
If that was the case, an @ call should have been raised to allow us to address this rather than leaving it there and using it.
As stated, this appeal is going to be denied because it's quite clear to me that a violation did occur and I'm satisfied that Wesley made the right call on this one.
Cheers.