Reported Players: Simon Barlow (STEAM_0:0:59925181) (
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Server: Rockford
Time: 2018-Aug-07 22:50
Summary: At the time the accused player was playing as the vice president, I saw him on the street and he saw me. I was holding a lockpick and for some reason he didnt like that and he made a new law about the lockpick being illegal to carry. I didn't notice that he made a law about it and he ordered an officer to arrest me for carrying a lockpick just right after he made that new law.
I think it's unfair to be arrested that quickly just after a new law is made just because he didnt like that I ran around with a lockpick.
Summary: I was arrested about 1 min after that he made the new law about lockpicks and I didn't notice that he added the because it happend so quickly. For me it feels more like FailRP that he can just make new laws while walking down the street and arrest people for it because they didn't know because it took 1 min for him to arrest me from making the law.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/YXWWZC7KgmU
So, the law was made at this time
https://youtu.be/YXWWZC7KgmU?t=52 - at this point he should have noticed the fact that he has a lockpick out and could have put it away as soon as he saw the law came into play, this would have not offered an inconvenience to him in the slightest as he was not using it at the time and he wouldn't have to holster it. The fact the officer saw he had a lockpick shows the officer noticed that he had one, whilst also knowing that the lockpick was illegal the officer proceeds to arrest him. I don't see any rule breakage here? I cannot alter the fact that i can make laws while walking down the street.
Not to mention, at
https://youtu.be/YXWWZC7KgmU?t=81 I say "do you want to put that down or get rid of it, which he replies "no". I gave him an alternative that did not mean his arrest.
(Aug 8, 2018, 02:35 AM)aj30603 Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention, at https://youtu.be/YXWWZC7KgmU?t=81 I say "do you want to put that down or get rid of it, which he replies "no". I gave him an alternative that did not mean his arrest.
I said "No" because I was using my right to have it as it wasen't illegal in the laws. But about 1 minute before that you added the law because you didn't like me having it and arrested me for it. That is not a sufficent enough with time.
Right. I say "put it away or get rid of it" you don't refuse to do something that is ordered by a governmental official just because of when it was made a law. It was a law when i told you to get rid of it, that's what matters, at first i wasn't going to arrest you, it's when you refused to do what was commanded that I ordered your arrest, again I say, I don't see any breakage of laws here.
I say "Get rid of it" meaning "I'll let you off this once because of the circumstance" it was when you continued to refuse that i warned you and asked for your arrest.
(Aug 8, 2018, 03:12 AM)aj30603 Wrote: [ -> ]Right. I say "put it away or get rid of it" you don't refuse to do something that is ordered by a governmental official just because of when it was made a law. It was a law when i told you to get rid of it, that's what matters, at first i wasn't going to arrest you, it's when you refused to do what was commanded that I ordered your arrest, again I say, I don't see any breakage of laws here.
You are the vice president not a police officer, you are not supposed to order me anything. For me you are just a normal person walking down the street, anyone can say anything. Why would you as a vice president go down the street and order people to follow the law? Thats failrp.
The wrong here is that you saw me carrying a lockpick, then you made a law about that it's illegal to carry then you order me to be arrested almost 1 minute after the law was made.
You have to wait a certain time to enforce the laws. This is to stop powergaming into arresting people.
Making a law saying walls are high while police are standing outside a walled property is one example.
Okay, how long is that time exactly? Just confused considering this isn't actually on the rules otherwise I would have done what was stated.
(Aug 8, 2018, 03:18 AM)bananen_ephihal Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 8, 2018, 03:12 AM)aj30603 Wrote: [ -> ]Right. I say "put it away or get rid of it" you don't refuse to do something that is ordered by a governmental official just because of when it was made a law. It was a law when i told you to get rid of it, that's what matters, at first i wasn't going to arrest you, it's when you refused to do what was commanded that I ordered your arrest, again I say, I don't see any breakage of laws here.
You are the vice president not a police officer, you are not supposed to order me anything. For me you are just a normal person walking down the street, anyone can say anything. Why would you as a vice president go down the street and order people to follow the law? Thats failrp.
The wrong here is that you saw me carrying a lockpick, then you made a law about that it's illegal to carry then you order me to be arrested almost 1 minute after the law was made.
Right, but understand that i wasn't ordering you to do anything, I was advising, considering an officer was about to arrest you for that exact reason, not to mention, a president is "commander-in-chief" which is someone who can control police, armed response and military. practically anyone who falls under the governmental order. The president was currently AFK which means that the 25th amendment was underway (basically if the president is vacant, the second in line becomes the acting president, of which, I can order the officers to do what I please, whether that is arrest someone breaking the law or not, either way that's what happens. Again, I say - I was not ordering you to do anything, i was advising you to do something within roleplay reasons to do something that a citizen should do. I didn't notice you carrying a lockpick at all, I did what i thought was in my best interests to protect the citizens of Rockford against crime, specifically car theft, house break-in's etc. like i said, I didn't order for your arrest until after you refused to comply with the law and do what was within your best interests as a citizen, which means I gave you a chance to comply with the laws before ordering your arrest. Not to mention, I find it rather strange that you would walk up to me openly with it and proceed to flash you flashlight at me as if to say "Hey! look here! I have a lockpick!" If you didn't do that, I wouldn't have noticed your open-carry of an illegal instrument and I would have continued with my Vice-Presidential duty's as usual.
Quote:Right, but understand that i wasn't ordering you to do anything, I was advising, considering an officer was about to arrest you for that exact reason, not to mention, a president is "commander-in-chief" which is someone who can control police, armed response and military. practically anyone who falls under the governmental order. The president was currently AFK which means that the 25th amendment was underway (basically if the president is vacant, the second in line becomes the acting president, of which, I can order the officers to do what I please, whether that is arrest someone breaking the law or not, either way that's what happens. Again, I say - I was not ordering you to do anything, i was advising you to do something within roleplay reasons to do something that a citizen should do. I didn't notice you carrying a lockpick at all, I did what i thought was in my best interests to protect the citizens of Rockford against crime, specifically car theft, house break-in's etc. like i said, I didn't order for your arrest until after you refused to comply with the law and do what was within your best interests as a citizen, which means I gave you a chance to comply with the laws before ordering your arrest. Not to mention, I find it rather strange that you would walk up to me openly with it and proceed to flash you flashlight at me as if to say "Hey! look here! I have a lockpick!" If you didn't do that, I wouldn't have noticed your open-carry of an illegal instrument and I would have continued with my Vice-Presidential duty's as usual.
That was not advising
you literally said here that you ordered me to put it away.
(Aug 8, 2018, 03:12 AM)aj30603 Wrote: [ -> ]Right. I say "put it away or get rid of it" you don't refuse to do something that is ordered by a governmental official just because of when it was made a law. It was a law when i told you to get rid of it, that's what matters, at first i wasn't going to arrest you, it's when you refused to do what was commanded that I ordered your arrest, again I say, I don't see any breakage of laws here.
Yes, it was advised but if say the president said "I advise you to put that weapon down" while an officer is standing right next to you aiming a stun gun at you, you put it down, no questions asked. So it's an order that i advise you to do, so it's an advisory.
And even if i was ordering you to do something, i'm ordering you to do something to stop you from being arrested within RP, so the only problem I see here is that you didn't take my advice which offered you a chance to not be arrested, you refused to RP out of the situation and you continued to argue even though the law had clearly been made and you saw that it had been made, I think really,saying no just to prove a point is being rather stubborn and you could've RPed and said something along the lines of "alright, sorry mate, didn't realise the law had been made, ill get rid of it"
(Aug 8, 2018, 04:38 PM)aj30603 Wrote: [ -> ]And even if i was ordering you to do something, i'm ordering you to do something to stop you from being arrested within RP, so the only problem I see here is that you didn't take my advice which offered you a chance to not be arrested, you refused to RP out of the situation and you continued to argue even though the law had clearly been made and you saw that it had been made, I think really,saying no just to prove a point is being rather stubborn and you could've RPed and said something along the lines of "alright, sorry mate, didn't realise the law had been made, ill get rid of it"
You did order me something it was not an advice.
That is powergaming that you made a law to get me arrested. Thats not how you RP.
I did not make a law to get you arrested, the only time i noticed you having a lockpick was when you ran up to me flashing your light at me.