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(Jul 23, 2018, 10:34 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]I fail to see what part I did not bring up.

As you decided to leave we never got any evidence from you, but I'm glad you at least brought the whole video with you. The only evidence that was given were 3 GIFs of around 5 seconds of footage (what I've included in the thread).
That's a blatant lie and Roxas can attest to that. I sent the link numerous times in the chat and before leaving.

In the video you can even hear "haha, ohoh" as you are well aware of what is about to happen. It also shows that your teammates using your car as cover.
I don't even think that's my voice. That was most likely the realization of the cops showing up. Why would I predict getting mowed down for literally no reason?

Nothing in that video is contradictory to what I've stated.
The whole pursuit and police interaction thing is completely contradictory to the video. At no point did any officers even attempt to initiate a stop or pursuit. The one officer quite nearly cuts me off and crashes into me but continues on his merry way. I even turn and look around several times to see if the dude was going after me for his stupidity.

(Jul 23, 2018, 10:43 PM)Hungames Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jul 23, 2018, 10:34 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]I fail to see what part I did not bring up.

As you decided to leave we never got any evidence from you, but I'm glad you at least brought the whole video with you. The only evidence that was given were 3 GIFs of around 5 seconds of footage (what I've included in the thread).
That's a blatant lie and Roxas can attest to that. I sent the link numerous times in the chat and before leaving.

That is not something I saw, the only thing I saw were the three Gyazo links. But as said, your video is here now so what's the matter?

In the video you can even hear "haha, ohoh" as you are well aware of what is about to happen. It also shows that your teammates using your car as cover.
I don't even think that's my voice. That was most likely the realization of the cops showing up. Why would I predict getting mowed down for literally no reason?

You did not get "mowed down for literally no reason", you were entering a compound, of which there were heavily armed criminals both inside and outside, and you decided to keep going once you saw the police. It was your own choice to enter and as such be in the middle of the crossfire.


Nothing in that video is contradictory to what I've stated.
The whole pursuit and police interaction thing is completely contradictory to the video. At no point did any officers even attempt to initiate a stop or pursuit. The one officer quite nearly cuts me off and crashes into me but continues on his merry way. I even turn and look around several times to see if the dude was going after me for his stupidity.

The reason you didn't see any cop cars behind you was because they were lagging behind and confused as to which car they were chasing.
That you were out of voice range to hear us shout "get out of the car!" was unfortunate, but if your judgement is to not only keep going, but stop your car, see two police cars with their lights on, officers with weapons pointed towards you, and you still keep going, that is completely of your own fault.

Sadly I don't have any evidence to show the police voice radio claiming to be in a pursuit of a white Nissan Skyline, but the fact that two police cars show up behind you at the compound, with their lights on, should have given you a hint. And again, the reason I opened fire was because you intentionally went into a criminal compound, guarded by heavily armed men.
Don't try to tell me you had no idea there would be a firefight.
It was completely your choice to continue going into the compound, you could have left the vehicle and put your hands up and you would certainly not have been shot at, but you decided that your armed up buddies could help you take down the cops.

(Jul 23, 2018, 11:17 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jul 23, 2018, 10:43 PM)Hungames Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jul 23, 2018, 10:34 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]I fail to see what part I did not bring up.

As you decided to leave we never got any evidence from you, but I'm glad you at least brought the whole video with you. The only evidence that was given were 3 GIFs of around 5 seconds of footage (what I've included in the thread).
That's a blatant lie and Roxas can attest to that. I sent the link numerous times in the chat and before leaving.

That is not something I saw, the only thing I saw were the three Gyazo links. But as said, your video is here now so what's the matter?

In the video you can even hear "haha, ohoh" as you are well aware of what is about to happen. It also shows that your teammates using your car as cover.
I don't even think that's my voice. That was most likely the realization of the cops showing up. Why would I predict getting mowed down for literally no reason?

You did not get "mowed down for literally no reason", you were entering a compound, of which there were heavily armed criminals both inside and outside, and you decided to keep going once you saw the police. It was your own choice to enter and as such be in the middle of the crossfire.


Nothing in that video is contradictory to what I've stated.
The whole pursuit and police interaction thing is completely contradictory to the video. At no point did any officers even attempt to initiate a stop or pursuit. The one officer quite nearly cuts me off and crashes into me but continues on his merry way. I even turn and look around several times to see if the dude was going after me for his stupidity.

The reason you didn't see any cop cars behind you was because they were lagging behind and confused as to which car they were chasing.
That you were out of voice range to hear us shout "get out of the car!" was unfortunate, but if your judgement is to not only keep going, but stop your car, see two police cars with their lights on, officers with weapons pointed towards you, and you still keep going, that is completely of your own fault.

Sadly I don't have any evidence to show the police voice radio claiming to be in a pursuit of a white Nissan Skyline, but the fact that two police cars show up behind you at the compound, with their lights on, should have given you a hint. And again, the reason I opened fire was because you intentionally went into a criminal compound, guarded by heavily armed men.
Don't try to tell me you had no idea there would be a firefight.
It was completely your choice to continue going into the compound, you could have left the vehicle and put your hands up and you would certainly not have been shot at, but you decided that your armed up buddies could help you take down the cops.

The only thing I've heard so far has been "but I was in a car!", all the while full well knowing that you were among a group of criminals who were heavily armed and you decided to enter the lot anyway. And seeing as there was a gate, which was closed and then opened specifically for you, it is entirely within reason to assume that you are part of this gang and would gladly take out your weapons and start shooting as soon as you got into the compound.

I fully stand by my actions and I disagree that shooting you was in anyway a mistake or wrongdoing as you were well aware of the situation you put yourself in.

(Jul 23, 2018, 11:33 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]To put it into context of rules, the relevant rule (I assume) would be 11.7, which reads as follow:

11.7 - 
"You cannot kill unarmed people or those who no longer pose a threat (injured, unconscious, handcuffed, etc). The only exception is if there is a dictator who orders an execution or capital punishment for an appropriate crime has been issued. You can shoot at fleeing vehicles only if the drivers are armed and dangerous or if they are clearly a threat to citizen/officers with the way they are driving. "

My side to this story is that I claim that you were armed and dangerous.
Although we can I retrospect see that you were not personally armed, you knowingly entered an area belonging to your friends, who indeed were visibly heavily armed, and by being part of this group you can be assumed to be armed and dangerous as well.

I simply don't see anything rule breakingly wrong with my character's decisions. Could they have been, from an in-game perspective, better? Sure, but this is RP after all. Not all things go to plan. I don't see anything OOC wrong with someone being caught in crossfire in a criminal hideout. An unfortunate casualty at least, and a preemptive take down at most, either way I don't see anything wrong with what went down.

(Jul 23, 2018, 11:33 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]To put it into context of rules, the relevant rule (I assume) would be 11.7, which reads as follow:

11.7 - 
"You cannot kill unarmed people or those who no longer pose a threat (injured, unconscious, handcuffed, etc). The only exception is if there is a dictator who orders an execution or capital punishment for an appropriate crime has been issued. You can shoot at fleeing vehicles only if the drivers are armed and dangerous or if they are clearly a threat to citizen/officers with the way they are driving. "

My side to this story is that I claim that you were armed and dangerous.
Although we can I retrospect see that you were not personally armed, you knowingly entered an area belonging to your friends, who indeed were visibly heavily armed, and by being part of this group you can be assumed to be armed and dangerous as well.
Just because I am in an area with armed people doesn't give you the right to assume that everyone in the area is armed and therefore a threat. 

I simply don't see anything rule breakingly wrong with my character's decisions. Could they have been, from an in-game perspective, better? Sure, but this is RP after all. Not all things go to plan. I don't see anything OOC wrong with someone being caught in crossfire in a criminal hideout. An unfortunate casualty at least, and a preemptive take down at most, either way I don't see anything wrong with what went down.

(Jul 23, 2018, 11:17 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jul 23, 2018, 10:43 PM)Hungames Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jul 23, 2018, 10:34 PM)Haamster Wrote: [ -> ]I fail to see what part I did not bring up.

As you decided to leave we never got any evidence from you, but I'm glad you at least brought the whole video with you. The only evidence that was given were 3 GIFs of around 5 seconds of footage (what I've included in the thread).
That's a blatant lie and Roxas can attest to that. I sent the link numerous times in the chat and before leaving.

That is not something I saw, the only thing I saw were the three Gyazo links. But as said, your video is here now so what's the matter?
I was addressing your first statement. "As you decided to leave we never got any evidence from you". You did get evidence.

In the video you can even hear "haha, ohoh" as you are well aware of what is about to happen. It also shows that your teammates using your car as cover.
I don't even think that's my voice. That was most likely the realization of the cops showing up. Why would I predict getting mowed down for literally no reason?

You did not get "mowed down for literally no reason", you were entering a compound, of which there were heavily armed criminals both inside and outside, and you decided to keep going once you saw the police. It was your own choice to enter and as such be in the middle of the crossfire.
The police didn't arrive until I had already arrived and was waiting for the gate to become operational. I was stopped. I didn't just go inside. Also, how was it my choice to be the target of the first shots in the shootout? You can see in the video that the very first shots fired, were by you, and into the back of my car. That isn't crossfire.

Nothing in that video is contradictory to what I've stated.
The whole pursuit and police interaction thing is completely contradictory to the video. At no point did any officers even attempt to initiate a stop or pursuit. The one officer quite nearly cuts me off and crashes into me but continues on his merry way. I even turn and look around several times to see if the dude was going after me for his stupidity.

The reason you didn't see any cop cars behind you was because they were lagging behind and confused as to which car they were chasing.
That you were out of voice range to hear us shout "get out of the car!" was unfortunate, but if your judgement is to not only keep going, but stop your car, see two police cars with their lights on, officers with weapons pointed towards you, and you still keep going, that is completely of your own fault.
Exactly where in the video did I continue to drive with police officers actively pursuing me? You guys rolled up 20 seconds after I had arrived. No sirens. Just lights. You didn't make contact, you saw armed men and started a firefight with myself as the first target. Explain exactly how it is my fault for escaping a non-existent pursuit. 

Sadly I don't have any evidence to show the police voice radio claiming to be in a pursuit of a white Nissan Skyline, but the fact that two police cars show up behind you at the compound, with their lights on, should have given you a hint.
A hint of what? There were a number of other reasons for the cops to show up, but I should have assumed that they were chasing me without sirens on and without being anywhere near me?
And again, the reason I opened fire was because you intentionally went into a criminal compound, guarded by heavily armed men.
So you killed me for entering a building? That sounds valid.

Don't try to tell me you had no idea there would be a firefight.
Why would I believe to be starting a firefight when there were literally NO cops behind me for any duration of my drive? 

It was completely your choice to continue going into the compound, you could have left the vehicle and put your hands up and you would certainly not have been shot at, but you decided that your armed up buddies could help you take down the cops.
Except I didn't. As evidenced by the video, there was literally no reason to believe I was being pursued. No sirens, no police anywhere in sight. I would have needed to magically create the idea that I was being pursued in order to go and turn myself in. Watch the video. The only time a cop with lights on shows up is at 6:24. 

The only thing I've heard so far has been "but I was in a car!", all the while full well knowing that you were among a group of criminals who were heavily armed and you decided to enter the lot anyway.
Entering a lot is not grounds for killing someone. Additionally, being in the presence of armed people isn't a reason to kill someone. You had literally no evidence, except an assumption, that I was armed, or even conducting any criminal activity.

And seeing as there was a gate, which was closed and then opened specifically for you, it is entirely within reason to assume that you are part of this gang and would gladly take out your weapons and start shooting as soon as you got into the compound.
Again, have you watched the video? The gate was being built as I arrived. It wasn't an elevator until 6:27. And again, you had no proof of my having any weapons. And how would you have known I was part of the gang? What if I was just a gun dealer going in to make a sale and the same thing happened? Would that be justified too?

I fully stand by my actions and I disagree that shooting you was in anyway a mistake or wrongdoing as you were well aware of the situation you put yourself in.
You created the situation yourself. The only contact was made by you at the base of our base. No stop was initiated at any part of the incident. 

Quote:The reason for shooting at the car itself was twofold:
1. As it was entering the property, taking it out would leave their gate open.
2. The armed men immediately used the car as cover, leaving me no option but to shoot towards where it was. The driver was in no way forced onto the lot and could simply have resolved the traffic violation before entering, but decided to take a bet on that his teammates would take out the cops before he would be taken down.

Quote:You can shoot at fleeing vehicles only if the drivers are armed and dangerous or if they are clearly a threat to citizen/officers with the way they are driving.