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(Jun 20, 2018, 10:54 PM)Stell90 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(Jun 20, 2018, 09:59 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ] 
I mean...
An IRS/HMRC agent doesn't get me addicted to crack of meth which both damages my body, mental and financial situation.
I'd rather be fucked financially then get addicted to a drug and ruin my life completely.

In addition in recent years, drug dealers have got they're hands on cheap opoids; which are similar to the affects of meth (IIRC) but a lot cheaper. These 2 grams of the stuff can kill you.

So yeah I'd say drug dealers do ruin peoples lives. Unless they're just selling weed or something.

Did you even read my text? It's not the drug dealers fault that this happens.

Take a look at the Alcohol prohibition in the US. Alcohol was distilled to its limits, and high-proof alcohol quickly spread out, as it's easier to move one liter of strong product than 10 liters of 1/10 the concentration. Same goes for the drug war. Carfentanil/fentanyl and other opioid analogues (and stimulant/cannabinoid rc's) are made to circumvent these problems, not because the dealers thought it'd be fun to kill their users.

Drug dealers aren't the ones ruining lives - it's yourself. You got addicted in the first place, and it's your responsibility to stop. It'd be like blaming the IRS agent on your own self-induced financial problems.

I also find it extremely amusing that you say 'cheap opioids' are similar to methamphetamine, despite them essentially being opposites. And 2 grams of any compound is typically a heavy overdose, especially considering that these opioids (Fentanyl/carfentanil) have average dosage in the micrograms.

Educating people on harm reduction and decriminalizing/legalizing drugs would help a lot on these problems. The current stigma that people have against drugs, is what empowers the drug problem.

The stigma and miseducation that e.g. people like you have. All of your opinions are pure assumptions and prejudice, nothing factual.

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Yeah, I heavily disagree with you.

There are many reasons an individual might end up in dealing drugs. Being so mentally unstable that one can't manage own financials, or be responsible enough to stay away from a bad environment, are all funnily enough also causes for why one might inject a 12-year old with an unknown psychoactive substance, which is a highly unlikely 'feat'. Drug dealers are often themselves addicted, and use drug dealing to pay for their habit. It's an evil circle, but can be avoided if we as a society takes the necessary steps to prevent people from getting addicted. 

These people need help. Not a bullet through their head.

If you'd like to see how fallacious your logic is, take a look at the following statement:

All cops kill dogs, and here is the proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCNNiRfQiTg&t=218s

(Jun 20, 2018, 10:54 PM)Quest Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 20, 2018, 10:51 PM)Noble Wrote: [ -> ]These aren't just drug dealers that are being killed, it's drug users as well. Kinda fucked to see extrajudicial killings being ay-okay with people. Especially those who live in countries with due process.

Yeah I do think it's kinda backwards, you don't solve the problem by killing them - You solve it by setting up clinics and de-criminalising drug use and instead of punishing them, help the drug users. I'm pretty sure it was used in Portugal and it worked.

However with the Philippines being a LIC, they may not be able to afford to set up drug clinics and thus they result to extreme consequences to try and turn people away from drugs - but at the end of the day addiction is addiction and it's hard to stop that.

As Vanda Felhab-Brown put so eloquently:

Quote:The Philippines should adopt radically different approaches: The shoot-to-kill directives to police and calls for extrajudicial killings should stop immediately, as should dragnets against low-level pushers and users. If such orders are  issued, prosecutions of any new extrajudicial killings and investigations of encounter killings must follow. In the short term, the existence of pervasive culpability may prevent the adoption of any policy that would seek to investigate and prosecute police and government officials and members of neighborhood councils who have been involved in the state-sanctioned slaughter. If political leadership in the Philippines changes, however, standing up a truth commission will be paramount. In the meantime, however, all existing arrested drug suspects need to be given fair trials or released.
Law-enforcement and rule of law components of drug policy designs need to make reducing criminal violence and violent militancy among their highest objectives. The Philippines should build up real intelligence on the drug trafficking networks that President Duterte alleges exist in the Philippines and target their middle operational layers, rather than low-level dealers, as well as their corruption networks in the government and law enforcement. However, the latter must not be used to cover up eliminating rival politicians and independent political voices.
To deal with addiction, the Philippines should adopt enlightened harm-reduction measures, including methadone maintenance, safe-needle exchange, and access to effective treatment. No doubt, these are difficult and elusive for methamphetamines, the drug of choice in the Philippines. Meth addiction is very difficult to treat and is associated with high morbidity levels. Instead of turning his country into a lawless Wild East, President Duterte should make the Philippines the center of collaborative East Asian research on how to develop effective public health approaches to methamphetamine addiction.