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(Apr 8, 2018, 10:29 PM)lad Wrote: [ -> ]why would you trust a person who broke the rules telling other people how to roleplay. im not perfect but i guess thats what happens when a teacher breaks a rule, new players shouldn't take roleplaying tips from someone who broke rules. im not saying you're a bad teacher but yeah

Then why just give them a small amount of time off to be just given the powers after the time is up. What if that Teacher believes what they did was ok, and returns with that knowledge?
Tbh temporarily suspending people from their roles is pointless and only has a negative affect on Limelight. 

 personally staff who break rules should get the harshest punishment followed by teachers and finally regular players and contributors.

ForceGhost

(Apr 8, 2018, 10:34 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]Tbh temporarily suspending people from their roles is pointless and only has a negative affect on Limelight. 

 personally staff who break rules should get the harshest punishment followed by teachers and finally regular players and contributors.

Contributors are considered staff, why would they be punished less than Teachers?
(Apr 8, 2018, 10:37 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr 8, 2018, 10:34 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]Tbh temporarily suspending people from their roles is pointless and only has a negative affect on Limelight. 

 personally staff who break rules should get the harshest punishment followed by teachers and finally regular players and contributors.

Contributors are considered staff, why would they be punished less than Teachers?

Because they don’t hold the in game power teachers do not are they really considered to be role models like teachers are

ForceGhost

(Apr 8, 2018, 10:38 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr 8, 2018, 10:37 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr 8, 2018, 10:34 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]Tbh temporarily suspending people from their roles is pointless and only has a negative affect on Limelight. 

 personally staff who break rules should get the harshest punishment followed by teachers and finally regular players and contributors.

Contributors are considered staff, why would they be punished less than Teachers?

Because they don’t hold the in game power teachers do

Neither do Dev-onlys, should they be punished less than teachers?
(Apr 8, 2018, 10:39 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr 8, 2018, 10:38 PM)Faustin Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr 8, 2018, 10:37 PM)ForceGhost Wrote: [ -> ]Contributors are considered staff, why would they be punished less than Teachers?

Because they don’t hold the in game power teachers do

Neither do Dev-onlys, should they be punished less than teachers?

No as they have access to server files as far as I know, where-as contributors do not.
(Apr 8, 2018, 09:32 PM)Doctor Internet Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr 8, 2018, 09:01 PM)Baskingner Wrote: [ -> ]Teachers should be perfect, any form of punishment should result in long bans from the team imo.
What do you think about Moderators, Administrators, Developers and SAs who break the rules?

Everyone with a position anything higher then 'user' should be punished more severely when they break the rules. You gave these people a position, a role in your company, and therefore these people should be held against higher standards as ordinairy 'customers'.

Administrators breaking rules should maybe be tolerated once, if its clear that it was a mistake. Any repeat offenders should be subject to very strict punishments. 'Three strikes and youre out' is a no brainer in my opinion.
Imo, teachers should receive the same punishment anybody else would get, but also be put in a probationary period (1,2,3 or 6 months) where if they break the rules again they are either suspended from the program for x weeks or removed from it and unable to reaplly for a few months. Teachers will make mistakes from time to time (like anyone else) and if their mistakes are not often made or maliciously made they should be given the chance to stay in the program and exercise their duties.

All in all, punishments should remain equal to what a player without the rank would get but safeguards should be in place to help keep the program to a reasonable, helpful & acceptable level.
Never saw the purpose of it. They still help and get asked for help all the same.
I think that teachers who have been found to be breaking the rules shouldn't be on the team. They're supposed to be role models with relatively clean records. If they don't know the rules how can they be expected to teach them to newer players?

IMO Teachers who have been found breaking the rules should have to go through the whole application process again.

It's not just teachers I think this should apply to. Staff who have broken the rules shouldn't be on the team either. Of course if minor mistakes are made then a demotion from a staff position isn't necessary unless there's been some ongoing problem.
As much as Teachers should be role models, everyone makes mistakes and no one person on Earth is perfect, so why should we have to be perfect? We can be the best we can be, nothing more.
It's not really the punishment in itself, the "punishment" is having it on your record.

And I would perhaps call it a time-specific demotion rather than leave, as the act is supposed to let the person calm down a bit, think about their behaviour and come back as a new person.

Since teachers can't be demoted to a lower position, the only other option would be to kick them as soon as something occurs, which I hardly think would be a good thing, everybody makes mistakes after all.

While I don't necessarily think writing an essay would do much good (I've never believed in "homework" as a punishment), perhaps some type of contemplation on the action and it's effects would be good.

I see LL as a workplace (which it plain and simple is), and being able to do deal with things on a mature level is critical.


I took some notes from a company named RMI, which specialise in HR services, and the way to handle a first infraction goes like this:

  1. Quickly Address the Problem
  2. Arrange a Private Meeting
  3. Make Notes of the Meeting
  4. Allow the Employee to Respond
  5. Explain Future Consequences or Discipline the Employee
(https://rmi-solutions.com/blog/what-to-d...-policies/)

This is pretty close to how LL deals with it's various teams (with the difference being that we all operate remotely).

This is also how most companies worldwide deal with their employees. There are no "punishments" per se. You are expected to take the warning as a serious reminder of what is and what is not ok, and if you can't follow that you might not be fit to work there.

Now, obviously our rules vary in seriousness to a large degree (someone breaking an in-game rule, say building a doomfort, is nowhere near the scale of, say, threatening another user), but they are nonetheless the closest to a company ethics policy we have.


As a final note, learn from mistakes made, deal with them like an adult and try to keep this a somewhat professional workspace.
So you broke the rules and get punished. Your punishment is that you can't flaunt your rank for a while. What's the issue here?

No disrespect intended (and don't take this as a personal attack), but with your record I'm surprised you're still allowed on the team. The teachers are meant to know the rules better than admins, apparently. Therefore, a single minor infraction should result in being kicked out.
(Apr 9, 2018, 12:42 PM)Lord Octagon Wrote: [ -> ]So you broke the rules and get punished. Your punishment is that you can't flaunt your rank for a while. What's the issue here?

No disrespect intended (and don't take this as a personal attack), but with your record I'm surprised you're still allowed on the team. The teachers are meant to know the rules better than admins, apparently. Therefore, a single minor infraction should result in being kicked out.

But how does a week off effect me? If I didn’t learn from my mistake, why should I be allowed back on the team?

Ths issue is the lack of any real punishment. Yea, I broke the rules, but I still help people without the rank. What good is taking my rank away for a week when I’m just getting back?
(Apr 9, 2018, 02:56 PM)Gungranny Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr 9, 2018, 12:42 PM)Lord Octagon Wrote: [ -> ]So you broke the rules and get punished. Your punishment is that you can't flaunt your rank for a while. What's the issue here?

No disrespect intended (and don't take this as a personal attack), but with your record I'm surprised you're still allowed on the team. The teachers are meant to know the rules better than admins, apparently. Therefore, a single minor infraction should result in being kicked out.

But how does a week off effect me? If I didn’t learn from my mistake, why should I be allowed back on the team?

If you haven’t learnt anything, you shouldn’t

Ths issue is the lack of any real punishment. Yea, I broke the rules, but I still help people without the rank. What good is taking my rank away for a week when I’m just getting back?

There is no good in taking it away for a week, you should be demoted indefinitely or not at all
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