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(Jan 14, 2018, 05:31 AM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]A few minutes later, the gunman returned to his car and jumped in the back (it was a mercedes sprinter) and unlocked it and started to drive away. Keep in mind, this man was actively being looked for by the police for shooting a cop.

(By the time you had pulled over and run over and begun to round the vehicle on the opposite side, he was already at the driverside door entering the vehicle and was unable to see you, while you assumed he was in the back of the vehicle hideing.

Had that been true, you would have killed a bystander instead of the suspect, as you could not confirm he was infact the driver when the vehicle started to move, as you thought he was in the back, nor could he see you or confirm you we're saying anything directed at him.

The person you shot was also seconds before, dropped off by another officer from the (Fugitive Recovery Unit) The person then moves to get into their van, where you proceeded to shoot after only 5 seconds of encountering them.

[b]The van moved less than a meter from the curb before you opened fire on it, it was in no way a danger to anyone while it was moving as it was the only other vehicle on that road besides yours infront of it, the Recovery unit who dropped him off behind it.

[/b]Considering your priors with this kind of action and this action, you have not convinced me to reduce or remove this blacklist.

Do you have anything further to say, or more evidence to provide?)

(Jan 14, 2018, 07:34 PM)I BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 05:31 AM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]A few minutes later, the gunman returned to his car and jumped in the back (it was a mercedes sprinter) and unlocked it and started to drive away. Keep in mind, this man was actively being looked for by the police for shooting a cop.

(By the time you had pulled over and run over and begun to round the vehicle on the opposite side, he was already at the driverside door entering the vehicle and was unable to see you, while you assumed he was in the back of the vehicle hideing.
I’m 95% sure he jumped into the back of the van. I saw the suspect. It was the exact same man who was in the van prior to me being shot at.
Had that been true, you would have killed a bystander instead of the suspect, as you could not confirm he was infact the driver when the vehicle started to move, as you thought he was in the back, nor could he see you or confirm you we're saying anything directed at him.
I am sure he was the one driving. I would not have shot if I wasn’t.
The person you shot was also seconds before, dropped off by another officer from the (Fugitive Recovery Unit) The person then moves to get into their van, where you proceeded to shoot after only 5 seconds of encountering them.
That is not my fault. I put out a BOLO and other officers were aware this man was armed and dangerous. 
[b]The van moved less than a meter from the curb before you opened fire on it, it was in no way a danger to anyone while it was moving as it was the only other vehicle on that road besides yours infront of it, the Recovery unit who dropped him off behind it.
He was a danger, he just attempted to murder a police officer and was about to escape. Deadly force was already authorized. If a pursuit had been initiated, he would have been shot out anyway, because he was already a threat to officer and public safety, being the suspect of attempted murder of a LEO.
[/b]Considering your priors with this kind of action and this action, you have not convinced me to reduce or remove this blacklist.
Of course you’re not going to admit fault, which is why I’m requesting an outside, uNBiaSeD opinion.
Do you have anything further to say, or more evidence to provide?)

(Jan 14, 2018, 08:57 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 07:34 PM)I BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 05:31 AM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]A few minutes later, the gunman returned to his car and jumped in the back (it was a mercedes sprinter) and unlocked it and started to drive away. Keep in mind, this man was actively being looked for by the police for shooting a cop.

(By the time you had pulled over and run over and begun to round the vehicle on the opposite side, he was already at the driverside door entering the vehicle and was unable to see you, while you assumed he was in the back of the vehicle hideing.
I’m 95% sure he jumped into the back of the van. I saw the suspect. It was the exact same man who was in the van prior to me being shot at.
(He was in the drivers seat when you shot, you also did not confirm it was infact the suspect before opening fire, from the time you get out of your vehicle, to the moment you shoot, it is in total 5 seconds, and for 2-3 of those seconds, the suspect is already inside the drivers seat, and was never in the back of the van.

Had that been true, you would have killed a bystander instead of the suspect, as you could not confirm he was infact the driver when the vehicle started to move, as you thought he was in the back, nor could he see you or confirm you we're saying anything directed at him.
I am sure he was the one driving. I would not have shot if I wasn’t.
(The point still stands)

The person you shot was also seconds before, dropped off by another officer from the (Fugitive Recovery Unit) The person then moves to get into their van, where you proceeded to shoot after only 5 seconds of encountering them.
That is not my fault. I put out a BOLO and other officers were aware this man was armed and dangerous. 
(Regardless of what occured before, that does not grant you the ability to kill him when he is visibly unarmed and not a threat the moment he seemingly does not listen to you.

You acted in such a way, with such speed that no one but you had any time to react to what you had just said, even if the suspect heard you, as it is about 1-2 seconds of him turning the wheel to move the vehicle its small distance before you shot him.)

[b]The van moved less than a meter from the curb before you opened fire on it, it was in no way a danger to anyone while it was moving as it was the only other vehicle on that road besides yours infront of it, the Recovery unit who dropped him off behind it.
He was a danger, he just attempted to murder a police officer and was about to escape. Deadly force was already authorized. If a pursuit had been initiated, he would have been shot out anyway, because he was already a threat to officer and public safety, being the suspect of attempted murder of a LEO.
(Please note the above Section)

[/b]Considering your priors with this kind of action and this action, you have not convinced me to reduce or remove this blacklist.
Of course you’re not going to admit fault, which is why I’m requesting an outside, uNBiaSeD opinion.
(This is your opinion, and you are free to have it)

(Jan 14, 2018, 09:38 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 08:57 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 07:34 PM)I BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 05:31 AM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]A few minutes later, the gunman returned to his car and jumped in the back (it was a mercedes sprinter) and unlocked it and started to drive away. Keep in mind, this man was actively being looked for by the police for shooting a cop.

(By the time you had pulled over and run over and begun to round the vehicle on the opposite side, he was already at the driverside door entering the vehicle and was unable to see you, while you assumed he was in the back of the vehicle hideing.
I’m 95% sure he jumped into the back of the van. I saw the suspect. It was the exact same man who was in the van prior to me being shot at.
(He was in the drivers seat when you shot, you also did not confirm it was infact the suspect before opening fire, from the time you get out of your vehicle, to the moment you shoot, it is in total 5 seconds, and for 2-3 of those seconds, the suspect is already inside the drivers seat, and was never in the back of the van.
(Are you 100% sure he wasn't in the back of the van? From what I saw, he jumped into the back of the van, and was able to unlock the van from back there and hop into the driver's seat.)

Had that been true, you would have killed a bystander instead of the suspect, as you could not confirm he was infact the driver when the vehicle started to move, as you thought he was in the back, nor could he see you or confirm you we're saying anything directed at him.
I am sure he was the one driving. I would not have shot if I wasn’t.
(The point still stands)
[b](My point still stands. I was sure he was the fugative. For saying anything at him, I already tried that. I tried to get him against the wall, and if you're going to recall everything that happened like you saw the situation happen, then you would have seen my shotgun in the lowered position, telling him to get against the wall, and he hesitated then pulled out a shorty, breaking fearRP. But you didn't, you just decided to take the case because I was involved, right?)

The person you shot was also seconds before, dropped off by another officer from the (Fugitive Recovery Unit) The person then moves to get into their van, where you proceeded to shoot after only 5 seconds of encountering them.
That is not my fault. I put out a BOLO and other officers were aware this man was armed and dangerous. 
(Regardless of what occured before, that does not grant you the ability to kill him when he is visibly unarmed and not a threat the moment he seemingly does not listen to you.
(Would you rather wait for me to kill him AFTER he kills someone else? I would much rather take his life if it means it will save the lives of other officers and/or citizens)

You acted in such a way, with such speed that no one but you had any time to react to what you had just said, even if the suspect heard you, as it is about 1-2 seconds of him turning the wheel to move the vehicle its small distance before you shot him.)
[b](Would you rather wait for me to kill him AFTER he kills someone else? I would much rather take his life if it means it will save the lives of other officers and/or citizens)[/b]

The van moved less than a meter from the curb before you opened fire on it, it was in no way a danger to anyone while it was moving as it was the only other vehicle on that road besides yours infront of it, the Recovery unit who dropped him off behind it.
He was a danger, he just attempted to murder a police officer and was about to escape. Deadly force was already authorized. If a pursuit had been initiated, he would have been shot out anyway, because he was already a threat to officer and public safety, being the suspect of attempted murder of a LEO.
(Please note the above Section)
(He was a danger, he just attempted to murder a police officer and was about to escape. Deadly force was already authorized. If a pursuit had been initiated, he would have been shot out anyway, because he was already a threat to officer and public safety, being the suspect of attempted murder of a LEO.)

[/b]Considering your priors with this kind of action and this action, you have not convinced me to reduce or remove this blacklist.
Of course you’re not going to admit fault, which is why I’m requesting an outside, uNBiaSeD opinion.
(This is your opinion, and you are free to have it)
thank you blackdoggy

Do you have anything further to say, or more evidence to provide?
I didn't know evidence was a requirement for an appeal

(Jan 14, 2018, 10:47 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 09:38 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 08:57 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 07:34 PM)I BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan 14, 2018, 05:31 AM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]A few minutes later, the gunman returned to his car and jumped in the back (it was a mercedes sprinter) and unlocked it and started to drive away. Keep in mind, this man was actively being looked for by the police for shooting a cop.

(By the time you had pulled over and run over and begun to round the vehicle on the opposite side, he was already at the driverside door entering the vehicle and was unable to see you, while you assumed he was in the back of the vehicle hideing.
I’m 95% sure he jumped into the back of the van. I saw the suspect. It was the exact same man who was in the van prior to me being shot at.
(He was in the drivers seat when you shot, you also did not confirm it was infact the suspect before opening fire, from the time you get out of your vehicle, to the moment you shoot, it is in total 5 seconds, and for 2-3 of those seconds, the suspect is already inside the drivers seat, and was never in the back of the van.
(Are you 100% sure he wasn't in the back of the van? From what I saw, he jumped into the back of the van, and was able to unlock the van from back there and hop into the driver's seat.)
(He was never in the back of the van)

Had that been true, you would have killed a bystander instead of the suspect, as you could not confirm he was infact the driver when the vehicle started to move, as you thought he was in the back, nor could he see you or confirm you we're saying anything directed at him.
I am sure he was the one driving. I would not have shot if I wasn’t.
(The point still stands)
[b](My point still stands. I was sure he was the fugative. For saying anything at him, I already tried that. I tried to get him against the wall, and if you're going to recall everything that happened like you saw the situation happen, then you would have seen my shotgun in the lowered position, telling him to get against the wall, and he hesitated then pulled out a shorty, breaking fearRP. But you didn't, you just decided to take the case because I was involved, right?)
(Your mentioned situation occured prior to what got you in trouble, the person has already received a BL for fearRP violations in relation to the situation you mentioned above)

The person you shot was also seconds before, dropped off by another officer from the (Fugitive Recovery Unit) The person then moves to get into their van, where you proceeded to shoot after only 5 seconds of encountering them.
That is not my fault. I put out a BOLO and other officers were aware this man was armed and dangerous. 
(Regardless of what occured before, that does not grant you the ability to kill him when he is visibly unarmed and not a threat the moment he seemingly does not listen to you.
(Would you rather wait for me to kill him AFTER he kills someone else? I would much rather take his life if it means it will save the lives of other officers and/or citizens)
(You do not get to instantly kill someone who is visibly unarmed, and who is not at the current time an active threat as a police officer.

If you tell someone not to move, and they move you, do not get to kill them regardless of what has occured prior, as now they are unarmed, and not a visible threat. If he had just fired on you, got into his car and attempted to speed away, this is one thing.

You have to sum it up: Assumed a player was the suspect you we're looking for (Nothing inheriently wrong with that, so long as you investigate and CONFIRM they are who you are looking for before taking action), and within 5 seconds of encountering them, shot them dead leaving absolutely no time for anyone but you to react to the situation.

The last bit there is unacceptable and is why you we're punished. Due to your recent priors relating to this kind of action extra time was added.



[b](Would you rather wait for me to kill him AFTER he kills someone else? I would much rather take his life if it means it will save the lives of other officers and/or citizens)[/b]

(He was a danger, he just attempted to murder a police officer and was about to escape. Deadly force was already authorized. If a pursuit had been initiated, he would have been shot out anyway, because he was already a threat to officer and public safety, being the suspect of attempted murder of a LEO.)
(Please note the above Section)

[/b]Considering your priors with this kind of action and this action, you have not convinced me to reduce or remove this blacklist.
Of course you’re not going to admit fault, which is why I’m requesting an outside, uNBiaSeD opinion.
(This is your opinion, and you are free to have it)
thank you blackdoggy