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Quote:I would love to keep repeating myself and explain  over and over again how I didn't hear you or see you but at the same time only saw you.

 
You are contradicting yourself here. You are saying you didn't hear me, nor see me, but then continue to say that you did in fact see me. This contradiction leads to the conclusion that you were aware of my presence, but decided to ignore me.
 
If this same logic applies to normal players, if I take my headphones off, is FearRP immediately negated to any events?
 

Quote:I saw you at the back of my eye while talking to my brother

 
If you only saw me in the corner of your eye, why did you make a full blown turn towards me?
 

Quote:I didn't hear you or see you before or after

 
This is a contradiction of your previous statement. According to your response, you either A) saw me in the corner of your eye and turned, making full visual contact, or B) just outright completely saw me.
 

Quote:The reason I phased was to display to you that I'm not paying attention and that I'm not free to what ever you were doing

 
This logic doesn't apply to normal players. Can I just switch to AFK when someone is talking to me because I'm "not free to what ever [they] were doing"? Can I disconnect mid RP to avoid an unfavorable situation? That's against the rules. The punishment would stand regardless of IRL situation. You can't just abruptly end a situation where you don't win. Breaking the rules using admin abilities is abuse.
 

Quote:I didn't know you tried to arrest me, even though the arrest reason and RP title behind it weren't even valid to begin with
 
 RP reason being "attempted to punch you" when I didn't even hit you or mean hit you nor did I show any other aggression

 
The reason for the initial interaction was completely valid. Rockford is based off of Oregon. We loosely enforce laws that are present in real life such as assault, battery, etc. In this case, Oregon state disorderly conduct laws apply.

Quote:(1)A person commits the crime of disorderly conduct in the second degree if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, the person:
(a)Engages in fighting or in violent, tumultuous or threatening behavior;
(b)Makes unreasonable noise;
©Disturbs any lawful assembly of persons without lawful authority;
(d)Obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic on a public way;
(e)Initiates or circulates a report, knowing it to be false, concerning an alleged or impending fire, explosion, crime, catastrophe or other emergency; or
(f)Creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which the person is not licensed or privileged to do.
(2)(a) Disorderly conduct in the second degree is a Class B misdemeanor.
 

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Quote:And job title being police trainee

 
Police trainee or not, it doesn't matter. I had a law enforcement pass. I was allowed to make arrests.
 

Quote:I am sorry for not roleplaying with you when I wasn't able to.

 
If you aren't able to roleplay, don't join the server or spawn in. Even if you are just standing on the side of the road, you are still a living person within the game.

I'm going to step in here for the moment.

Overall I feel that what was done was an honest mistake here, that this report is taking things very seriously to a situation that is not serious.

I will say that when I usually log in, I have three kids in the background and a wife in the backroom studying and/or writing. By your advice above, you are basically telling me that I will never be able to log in ever. That as I will probably get distracted at some point to get some milk, to help with a problem or who knows what, I should never log in, that I can never roleplay properly. That I have to be completely tied to the computer at all times. That is an unrealistic expectation here.

Now, in the situation of punching. Those mistakes happen quite often. The first click often leads to a punch, unintentional. It usually is expected and can be excused unless it happens again. As a player, you should expect this and it is quite frankly rude to take that in the manner that you have. As an officer, a punch in the air does not lead to an arrest. Maybe a warning or an 'are you alright?'. But if you arrest people for air punching, I would hate to meet you on the streets. To your point here, it is fair for admins then to ban people for accidentally punching at us right, as it is an attack on us during a sit, right? I for one have been punched many many times, but not once have I addressed that. It was a mistake, I know that, they know that. End of story.

As for the arrest situation. You are in essence trying to arrest a player that at the time was AFK. The punch would be an indication that he is returning and getting things back on track. You instead took that as a reason to arrest the player. Which as I stated before is not something an officer of the law would arrest over. Alas, yes... it does happen in the game, but it doesn't make it right. If contested, that could be considered false arrest, FailRP, arresting due to a OOC situation.

The fact is, he did nothing to you or any other player that would have caused harm. Instead, you overreacted and made the situation much worse as a result.

So in summary, I feel that Rocket did make a mistake. However, it was an accident, not intentional. As such I don't see this as abuse, just a mistake. A little verbal warning and we could be on our way here.

I'll explain again considering its the morning and I just woke up. And I will explain it in a different perspective. While also answering the same questions again, yes I will contradict myself but if you focus really well you will understand my point, but if you want to ignore what I am saying and keep asking me other simple questions that are kind of silly in a way then I'll leave it to the SA's to draw a conclusion on this case. 

Here I will explain the details of the situation and its timeline so it is clean and organized.

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[L²] Rocket (STEAM_0:0:50065871) has spawned as Citizen

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[L²] Rocket (STEAM_0:0:50065871) said: //Hello people of limelight.

Now, this is the part you must pay close attention to as I will prove to you with how I was busy and unable to respond. 

1 - Considering the fact that I only have just spawned, judging from both my video and your video I was in a spawn point standing still, not doing anything other than typing in OOC chat. 

2 - When you approached me I tabbed back in-game. By left clicking, now the reason I did that was because I have two screens. This is a picture of my really sick set up to prove that too. (

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3 - When I punched, I didn't really notice you that much, I saw you and I saw your name and having to consider you as a friend, I thought you would be asking me a question or messing around with me considering I have just spawned, and I haven't done anything that could be RP'ed with. I have not seen your job title, or your handcuffs. Nor have I heard what you said. As my headset was not on.

4 - Before that point my brother had come into my room and we started talking, you can hear everything in the video I have posted. (

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5 - Pay very close attention to this part, having just spawned and only being on the server for a couple of mins I have not yet moved out of my position nor have I done any crime or role-played with anyone or spawned any car or anything like that. With that being said I was not aware that I was approached by a police officer as I was too busy talking with my brother with me not doing anything wrong IC wise to begin with being on my mind. 

So, as an admin who gets approached by players a lot and get annoyed or messed around with a lot, I assumed That you were going to do the same thing, and with the fact that I did not have my headset on (thus not being able to hear what you said) I couldn't know what your intentions were, and AGAIN baring in mind that I have just joined and just spawned and haven't really committed a crime or even moved from my location. 

In the video you can hear me put on my headset at the end of it, I made sure to keep that part in to prove to you that I wasn't listening. 

In the video you can also hear me talk to my brother while you were talking to me in-game.

Contradicting myself?
In my other posts it sounds like I am contradicting myself yes but I think I have just chose my words poorly and now in this post I will explain again what I mean while providing better English words.

I have seen you yes, I have not had my focus on you.
What that means is, I have looked over at my screen and saw you the person, the figure, the player, but I have not focused on your intentions nor what you were saying or what you are doing, nor did I see your handcuffs nor did I hear what you were saying, nor did I know that I even punched towards you or anything that indicates any RP situation that took place.

It was wrong for me to assume that you were there to ask me something or to mess around, but you have to understand that I was not really in any able position to RP or to even know what is going on. WAIT! before you say 

"If you can't RP then why did you join the server"
"If you don't have the time then why did you join the server" 

Well my friend, I didn't know that my brother was going to come to my room and talk to me about this real-life situation at that time, if I was to know the future none of this would've happened. But sadly I don't have that super power yet so you'll have to believe me when I said that I didn't know that my brother was coming before I joined the server. 

After the situation
After I phased and had my argument with my brother the first thing I did was message you and apologize for being busy and mentioning on how I was talking to my brother. Bare in mind that I accidently wrote "talking in-game" first I wrote that accidently while my mind was distracted over the arguement. 

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[L²] Rocket (STEAM_0:0:50065871) said: /pm Loui hey sorry I was talking in game

[16:22:19]
Louis ♥ (STEAM_0:0:69638118) used command: r u werent

[16:22:26]
[L²] Rocket (STEAM_0:0:50065871) said: /pm Louis I mean to my brother IRL. I don't why I typed in-game

[16:22:30]
Louis ♥ (STEAM_0:0:69638118) used command: r mate nothign came up u were not talking at all. Straight up abuse.

[16:22:37]
[L²] Rocket (STEAM_0:0:50065871) used command: r going thro some stuff irl atm

[16:23:07]
Louis ♥ (STEAM_0:0:69638118) used command: r thats ur problems not mine, if i mass RDM'd and said i have problems in life i'd get banned. You just abused.

[16:23:22]
[L²] Rocket (STEAM_0:0:50065871) used command: r what ever dude

[16:24:42]
Louis ♥ (STEAM_0:0:69638118) used command: r bcos u were talking to your brother?

[16:25:07]
[L²] Rocket (STEAM_0:0:50065871) used command: r If this is a joke please stop I'm seriously not in a good mood to joke at the moment, if you are serious tell me.

Now the reason why I thought you was joking around was like I mentioned before I've considered you as a friend, as someone who some what frequently messages me on steam so I wasn't quite sure that you were serious or messing around, because literally everyone makes "admin abuse" jokes these days, specially most of my friends. 

Again having to consider you as one I thought that it was one of those jokes and didn't know wither you were serious or not. That's the reason that I wrote "What ever dude" not because I knew I abused, was because I considered you as a friend who was joking. Which is why I wrote at the end, "If you are joking then please stop as I am not in the mood for a joke at the moment, if you are serious tell me" I wasn't sure if you were joking or not.

At that point you were banned by another admin and we were not able to talk any longer. 


Conclusions 
With all of that being said, this whole situation is just really bad timing, having to deal with real life problems while on the server is not something I considered to happen to me before I joined the server, the timing on me punching randomly to tab back in was unluckily you being a trainee and having wanting to arrest me is something that was not on my mind at that time, and no that is not an excuse that I am putting that is only what I am saying, if an arrest is what you wait for "attempting to arrest you" then feel free to arrest me as soon as you're unbanned, I'll even take a 15 min arrest. 

Having your job title as police trainee and having you run around as a trainee with a badge on your neck and arresting people for accidentally punching in the air makes no sense to me what's so ever but that's not the point we're going to discuss today but just literally makes no sense. If you're a trainee surely you'd be being trained and not running around with a badge and cuffs? As far as I'm aware police trainees don't even get badges and cuffs until they're actual cops? 

Either way, like I said it was a very unlucky situation at a very unlucky time, I will stress again that I had no idea what was going on in-game. This situation is as bad of timing as this situation with this poor lad. 

From top to bottom, you have repeated what we already know to extend your points against it not being abuse. I must add, your blatant allowingness of the whole server to spam 'f' in OOC with no real purpose. However, when I or Murdoch decide to make relevant points about the server and ur abusing I get silenced by being banned? Please do explain the fairness in that bit, you're being protected as you're an admin and can completely see that what you did was abuse.

Assuming that I was there to mess around was not a very mature thing to do. You acknowledged I was there and no you may not have been focussing but if someone is talking to you ingame and in character using admin powers to vanish from the situation is abuse. Not only was what u did abuse in the way you had carried it out, but you weren't using administrative tools for any administrating at all and you're using as a replacement of the AFK job. You're just like all other players, yes you're an admin but what you don't get is the fact u ABUSED the powers to replace u going 'AFK'

Yes, I may of considered you a friend but as you may have considered me one if I broke a rule you'd still have to deal with it accordingly. 

Now onto the point of admins being protected as I mentioned earlier. Put this into a normal players POV breaking rules. Now what you did, IS and i said this again IS a rule breakage whether you'd like to admit it or not you have broke a rule here and said it was due to your brother talking. Understandable, but what you HAVE to understand is how this seen from our view. Let me explain. If this was me and during an arrest had switched to the AFK job or just disconnected from the server. Would I be banned? The answer is YES. But what about if I said "I will rejoin and willingly sit a 15minute arrest" would that be granted? The answer there is NO. Now using this, this is showing exactly what you have done but without your administrative tools. 

Conclusion:

At the end of the day I have problems in life, everyone does serious or not we all have them. So, using that as an excuse shouldn't really be justified as it wouldn't of been let off if I had decided to tell you that if I disconnected. I would have to face the ban.

Thank you for reading this, awaiting further SA response.

Reviewed and concluded.

As brought up in other posts here, I believe it's quite evident that the accused administrator did not make any intentional attempt at attacking you. While the phasing was unfortunate, I don't view this as an intentional attempt at abusing his powers nor attempting to act unfair in any way against you by using admin powers to avoid getting out of the ingame situation.

The evidence that Raptor Rocket provided supports his claim that he was busy, and that he had no reason to act in way that would be considered unfair, rude or abusive. I believe that the accused Admin understands why you would question what occurred but it's really a small issue that I believe was an unfortunate accident if nothing else as Rocket has tried to explain several times.

Rocket summed it up pretty well in his latest reply and I don't see any reason to escalate this further. 

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