Rock, stop being an ass. Show some fucking respect and decency for Christ's sake.
On another note, restricting guns doesn't really help. Those laws only harm sane, law abiding citizens. If you want a gun illegally, you ain't gonna give a fuck about the law.
Edit: Sorry I'm late, but I had to call Rock out for that. Not a very respectful thing to say as a Developer of Limelight.
(Oct 3, 2017, 12:08 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Rock, stop being an ass. Show some fucking respect and decency for Christ's sake.
On another note, restricting guns doesn't really help. Those laws only harm sane, law abiding citizens. If you want a gun illegally, you ain't gonna give a fuck about the law.
Edit: Sorry I'm late, but I had to call Rock out for that. Not a very respectful thing to say as a Developer of Limelight.
Still have my freddom speach as far i know , like i said already , it happen due to your laws , how often you see same case but in europe?
(Oct 3, 2017, 12:27 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 3, 2017, 12:08 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Rock, stop being an ass. Show some fucking respect and decency for Christ's sake.
On another note, restricting guns doesn't really help. Those laws only harm sane, law abiding citizens. If you want a gun illegally, you ain't gonna give a fuck about the law.
Edit: Sorry I'm late, but I had to call Rock out for that. Not a very respectful thing to say as a Developer of Limelight.
Still have my freddom speach as far i know , like i said already , it happen due to your laws , how often you see same case but in europe?
Restricting laws on people that follow them wouldn't do any good. Criminals will always find a way to get their hands on weapons. While Europe may not have as many gun attacks, they still have their fair share. Bombs and trucks are easier to use in Europe though and that is why we see a majority of those being used.
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(Oct 3, 2017, 12:35 AM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 3, 2017, 12:27 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 3, 2017, 12:08 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Rock, stop being an ass. Show some fucking respect and decency for Christ's sake.
On another note, restricting guns doesn't really help. Those laws only harm sane, law abiding citizens. If you want a gun illegally, you ain't gonna give a fuck about the law.
Edit: Sorry I'm late, but I had to call Rock out for that. Not a very respectful thing to say as a Developer of Limelight.
Still have my freddom speach as far i know , like i said already , it happen due to your laws , how often you see same case but in europe?
Restricting laws on people that follow them wouldn't do any good. Criminals will always find a way to get their hands on weapons. While Europe may not have as many gun attacks, they still have their fair share. Bombs and trucks are easier to use in Europe though and that is why we see a majority of those being used.
Exactly , thats something easy to obtain , a truck at least not bombs , on black market you ofcourse can still get a gun , but that goes anywhere in world , just aint easy here , as for own a legal gun , theres alot things for you to get approved first before own 1 , best way to avoid crimes with guns its simple restrict them
(Oct 3, 2017, 12:27 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 3, 2017, 12:08 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Rock, stop being an ass. Show some fucking respect and decency for Christ's sake.
On another note, restricting guns doesn't really help. Those laws only harm sane, law abiding citizens. If you want a gun illegally, you ain't gonna give a fuck about the law.
Edit: Sorry I'm late, but I had to call Rock out for that. Not a very respectful thing to say as a Developer of Limelight.
Still have my freddom speach as far i know , like i said already , it happen due to your laws , how often you see same case but in europe?
Alright we'll ban our guns when you ban all your knives, bombs (or anything used to make them), and cars.
(Oct 3, 2017, 12:38 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 3, 2017, 12:35 AM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 3, 2017, 12:27 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 3, 2017, 12:08 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Rock, stop being an ass. Show some fucking respect and decency for Christ's sake.
On another note, restricting guns doesn't really help. Those laws only harm sane, law abiding citizens. If you want a gun illegally, you ain't gonna give a fuck about the law.
Edit: Sorry I'm late, but I had to call Rock out for that. Not a very respectful thing to say as a Developer of Limelight.
Still have my freddom speach as far i know , like i said already , it happen due to your laws , how often you see same case but in europe?
Restricting laws on people that follow them wouldn't do any good. Criminals will always find a way to get their hands on weapons. While Europe may not have as many gun attacks, they still have their fair share. Bombs and trucks are easier to use in Europe though and that is why we see a majority of those being used.
Exactly , thats something easy to obtain , a truck at least not bombs , on black market you ofcourse can still get a gun , but that goes anywhere in world , just aint easy here , as for own a legal gun , theres alot things for you to get approved first before own 1 , best way to avoid crimes with guns its simple restrict them
You have to get approved here first before you can
legally own one too. It took me around a month and a half to get my license issued to buy guns and ammo. If I was a criminal and I wanted to get a gun on the "black market", I'd drive an hour to Chicago and I could pick one up illegally. Putting more restrictions on legal gun owners doesn't help anything.
EDIT: To add on to this too, if I wanted to buy a rifle in my state, I wouldn't be able to walk into the store and walk out with it. There is a 24 hour hold where they do additional checks before I can pick it up. For a handgun, it is even longer at 72 hours.
Yes, that's a great idea Rock! Let's go ahead and restrict guns and make it harder for the average citizen to get one! So, when I wanna protect myself or another person from danger, I will just have to disarm the armed robber first! No, wait a minute...how did he get a gun! They're illegal! He must've went around the restrictions! But he can't do that! It's illegal! Not to mention this is a no gun zone!
(Oct 3, 2017, 12:38 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly , thats something easy to obtain , a truck at least not bombs , on black market you ofcourse can still get a gun , but that goes anywhere in world , just aint easy here , as for own a legal gun , theres alot things for you to get approved first before own 1 , best way to avoid crimes with guns its simple restrict them
REmoved because toxic asked nicely.
(Oct 3, 2017, 12:38 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly , thats something easy to obtain , a truck at least not bombs , on black market you ofcourse can still get a gun , but that goes anywhere in world , just aint easy here , as for own a legal gun , theres alot things for you to get approved first before own 1 , best way to avoid crimes with guns its simple restrict them
If trucks weren't easy to obtain, how comes there have been countless times that one has been used against innocent lives in Europe?
Just as guns are easy for potential attackers to grasp in america, other ordinance within europe is readily available to anyone that sets their mind to it.
This is not an individual issue, yes, a gun was used, or multiple. But thats just the smaller picture, it could have been anything that was used. Thats why not 72 hours ago, 2 women were attacked and killed at Marseille's main train station, with a
Knife.
The point is, nobody deserves to die at an age where their life hasnt fully been enjoyed and nobody deserves to be disrespected in death.
(Oct 2, 2017, 11:56 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct 2, 2017, 11:23 PM)Vimpto Wrote: [ -> ]When will America ban guns?
The automatic weapon he primarily used is illegal.
And it's not like guns are the only ways to kill people
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-40008389
https://www.newsweek.com/stockholm-vehic...ope-580596
Automatic weapons are legal to the average citizen so long as they are pre-86 and don't fall under any silly import laws. Providing they aren't randomly banned in the next year or so I plan on picking up either a Mac-10 or 11 just for the meme. (All for the low price of 7k!!!)
Friendly reminder to everyone else that banning firearms does not end terrorism seeing as if they're not using a gun they'll just make a bomb out of the random chemicals they have in their garage. Firearm laws in Northern Ireland sure didn't seem to stop them from acquiring weapons and blowing things up.
Moreover, gun control as a whole does not work. Let's compare two fairly violent cities in the United States: Chicago and Detroit. Chicago, IL has a reported annual violent crime rate of ~903 violent crimes committed per 100k people (2016). The entire state of Michigan, where Detroit is located, had a total of ~490 per 100k people (2010, I could not find information from 2016 nor information for Chicago in 2010 though we can assume the numbers will still be similar.) What is the difference between these two areas? Michigan is starting to become one of the most pro-gun states in the US. There are currently bills in the house proposing removing the need for a concealed carry permit entirely or just dropping the age to 18. They are also removing any need to register your firearms and the need to acquire a purchase permit to buy handguns from a private seller. Illinois, meanwhile, has some fairly strict gun laws and in the city of Chicago it becomes even stricter. In Michigan, there is a bill proposed that would prohibit cities from enacting their own restrictions on firearms. Meaning if the state removed the need for conceal carry permits cities like Detroit could not prohibit carry without a permit.
Let's look at another location in the US. California. California has essentially just outright banned guns. Not literally, of course, but they might as well have. Another location to have essentially banned firearms is New York City. Los Angeles has a violent crime rate of ~408 (2013) and New York City has a violent crime rate of ~585 (2016).
So what does all of this mean? Banning guns doesn't end violent crime. That being said, violent crime is not restricted to only crimes committed with firearms. It also includes rape and aggravated assault which can both be achieved without a firearm. It also shows that violent crime involving a firearm, notably in Chicago, will occur even if firearms are heavily restricted to the average citizen simply because criminals are not average citizens. Allow me to also state again that the numbers for Michigan, a pro-gun state) was for the entire state including Detroit whereas the rest of the numbers were just a single city.
In conclusion, while my numbers may not be a perfect indicator of everything it's safe to assume that banning firearms has virtually no impact on crimes because crimes can easily be committed without a firearm and legal firearms are typically sought for by law-abiding citizens not law-abiding criminals which, in it of itself, is an oxymoron.
All right, moving back onto the actual topic on how extremely fucked up this is; my thoughts are with the victims of this event and their families. Definitely one of the biggest mass shootings in the States and not one to think lightly of either and who ever was involved in it (next to Paddock himself) should be given capital punishment or locked up for life.
I am glad they caught the person who did it because I don't want to imagine what would have happened had this guy been alive for any longer. Never mind if had he escaped from the incident and still be on the loose.
I saw the videos and the sounds of those rounds being fired in the background, impacting nearby the person who was recording the incident and the people screaming around him were... very chilling to say the least.
Good luck down there, guys. Honestly.
(Oct 3, 2017, 12:27 AM)The Rock Wrote: [ -> ]Still have my freddom speach as far i know
No one is taking that away from you, we just have freedom of speech too. Free speech isn't an argument or point.
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(Oct 3, 2017, 02:17 AM)Wesley Lawrence Wrote: [ -> ]All right, moving back onto the actual topic on how extremely fucked up this is; my thoughts are with the victims of this event and their families. Definitely one of the biggest mass shootings in the States and not one to think lightly of either and who ever was involved in it (next to Paddock himself) should be given capital punishment or locked up for life.
Yeah, OT, I saw rumors / talk about another person involved (a female I believe) who was arrested or they were looking for her, does anyone know what that was about?
(Oct 3, 2017, 02:35 AM)goigle Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, OT, I saw rumors / talk about another person involved (a female I believe) who was arrested or they were looking for her, does anyone know what that was about?
She was cleared of involvement.