Name of Player: Constrictor
SteamID: STEAM_0:1:59960025
Server: CityRP2
Time: (In UTC+0) Around 11:00
Summary: Attempted RDM - Comes from behind with a shotgun on Mainstreet And tries to murder me.
Probably also: Changing Job Title just so he is able to kill me. (logs will show)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/KuE8JpWVuqc
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It wasn't really RDM... You had previously demoted me and then arrested me.
The reason for me changing jobs, was because I wanted to do something Criminal like, and then I remembered that you had previously arrested me. This would not class as NLR, as I was the same person that you had previously arrested.
(Jun 24, 2017, 01:43 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't really RDM... You had previously demoted me and then arrested me. A lawful arrest is no reason to kill me.
The reason for me changing jobs, was because I wanted to do something Criminal like, and then I remembered that you had previously arrested me. You can clearly see how you inspected my car before you changed jobs and then quickly ran away.
This would not class as NLR, as I was the same person that you had previously arrested. Never said you broke NLR or something...
(Jun 24, 2017, 01:56 PM)Rizion Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 01:43 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't really RDM... You had previously demoted me and then arrested me. A lawful arrest is no reason to kill me.
You made me jobless, which meant that I couldn't afford to care for myself.
The reason for me changing jobs, was because I wanted to do something Criminal like, and then I remembered that you had previously arrested me. You can clearly see how you inspected my car before you changed jobs and then quickly ran away.
I'm not sure whether I had already changed my job, but I was definitely planning to. And when I saw your car, I went to get a gun out as revenge.
This would not class as NLR, as I was the same person that you had previously arrested. Never said you broke NLR or something...
Yeah, I was just putting it out there just in case you wanted to say something about NLR.
(Jun 24, 2017, 02:01 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 01:56 PM)Rizion Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 01:43 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't really RDM... You had previously demoted me and then arrested me. A lawful arrest is no reason to kill me.
You made me jobless, which meant that I couldn't afford to care for myself. But you can aford a shotgun + ammunation? Anyways, that is still no reason.
The reason for me changing jobs, was because I wanted to do something Criminal like, and then I remembered that you had previously arrested me. You can clearly see how you inspected my car before you changed jobs and then quickly ran away.
I'm not sure whether I had already changed my job, but I was definitely planning to. And when I saw your car, I went to get a gun out as revenge.
This would not class as NLR, as I was the same person that you had previously arrested. Never said you broke NLR or something...
Yeah, I was just putting it out there just in case you wanted to say something about NLR. Okay
(Jun 24, 2017, 02:16 PM)Rizion Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 02:01 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 01:56 PM)Rizion Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 01:43 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't really RDM... You had previously demoted me and then arrested me. A lawful arrest is no reason to kill me.
You made me jobless, which meant that I couldn't afford to care for myself. But you can aford a shotgun + ammunation? Anyways, that is still no reason.
Who said I could afford it? If it's in my inventory, it means that it is stored somewhere. I could've collected it from there.
The reason for me changing jobs, was because I wanted to do something Criminal like, and then I remembered that you had previously arrested me. You can clearly see how you inspected my car before you changed jobs and then quickly ran away.
I didn't change my job just because I saw your car, seeing your car just reminded me to attack you.
I'm not sure whether I had already changed my job, but I was definitely planning to. And when I saw your car, I went to get a gun out as revenge.
Yeah, I got a gun to kill you as revenge, but I didn't change jobs as revenge.
This would not class as NLR, as I was the same person that you had previously arrested. Never said you broke NLR or something...
Yeah, I was just putting it out there just in case you wanted to say something about NLR. Okay
v4b1 [12:49:01] [L²:RP] Rizion (STEAM_0:0:155802914) said: /warrant 186 arrest reckless driving, speeding, lieing to his supervisor
This is a perfectly valid arrest and demotion reason and is entirely your fault. If this reason is not made up, you cannot revenge kill for it. You can only revenge kill for demotions if they are for made up, corrupt reasons. And even then, you should probably talk to the president first. This is basically the same as raiding the president for signing warrants even though the warrant is completely valid, which is also not allowed - Invalid Kill Reason.
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) has used 1 12_Gauge
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:32] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory cw_m3super90 use 1
The job change is also clearly related to you shooting him - you clearly changed your job just so you could shoot him. Also, a recently demoted cop just goes and becomes a gang leader instantly? If it's the same character, it's a really big stretch (and you claim it's the same character at the time). Nonetherless, powergaming - changing jobs just to shoot someone.
Do say if you believe the demotion reason was invalid in some way or if you have anything else to add, within 24 hours.
(Jun 24, 2017, 06:30 PM)Overlewd Wrote: [ -> ]v4b1 [12:49:01] [L²:RP] Rizion (STEAM_0:0:155802914) said: /warrant 186 arrest reckless driving, speeding, lieing to his supervisor
This is a perfectly valid arrest and demotion reason and is entirely your fault. If this reason is not made up, you cannot revenge kill for it. You can only revenge kill for demotions if they are for made up, corrupt reasons. And even then, you should probably talk to the president first. This is basically the same as raiding the president for signing warrants even though the warrant is completely valid, which is also not allowed - Invalid Kill Reason.
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) has used 1 12_Gauge
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:32] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory cw_m3super90 use 1
The job change is also clearly related to you shooting him - you clearly changed your job just so you could shoot him. Also, a recently demoted cop just goes and becomes a gang leader instantly? If it's the same character, it's a really big stretch (and you claim it's the same character at the time). Nonetherless, powergaming - changing jobs just to shoot someone.
Do say if you believe the demotion reason was invalid in some way or if you have anything else to add, within 24 hours.
You do not know the full story behind it. I wasn't even really reckless driving, nor speeding. The only thing I did, was lie to him due to the fact that he had lied to me about the warrant. Oh yeah, and I tried contacting the president but they decided not to respond; logs will prove this.
I did not, as I previously stated in the PR, I changed my job title because I wanted to become a gang member. As I was running to pull my weapons out, I noticed him. Then, that reminded me to kill him. The only reason I wanted to become a gang member, was because I was bored of playing as gov, so I decided to become a gang-member. In prison, I became mentally unstable and learnt to hate the police for what they did to me. The President didn't want to deal with it, so I decided to deal with it myself.
(Jun 24, 2017, 07:18 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 06:30 PM)Overlewd Wrote: [ -> ]v4b1 [12:49:01] [L²:RP] Rizion (STEAM_0:0:155802914) said: /warrant 186 arrest reckless driving, speeding, lieing to his supervisor
This is a perfectly valid arrest and demotion reason and is entirely your fault. If this reason is not made up, you cannot revenge kill for it. You can only revenge kill for demotions if they are for made up, corrupt reasons. And even then, you should probably talk to the president first. This is basically the same as raiding the president for signing warrants even though the warrant is completely valid, which is also not allowed - Invalid Kill Reason.
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) has used 1 12_Gauge
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:32] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory cw_m3super90 use 1
The job change is also clearly related to you shooting him - you clearly changed your job just so you could shoot him. Also, a recently demoted cop just goes and becomes a gang leader instantly? If it's the same character, it's a really big stretch (and you claim it's the same character at the time). Nonetherless, powergaming - changing jobs just to shoot someone.
Do say if you believe the demotion reason was invalid in some way or if you have anything else to add, within 24 hours.
You do not know the full story behind it. I wasn't even really reckless driving, nor speeding. The only thing I did, was lie to him due to the fact that he had lied to me about the warrant. Oh yeah, and I tried contacting the present but they decided not to respond; logs will prove this. You were reckless driving and speeding - logs will show that you didn't even tried to say "But I wasn't speeding!" or similar... I suggest you not to lie in a PR as this can easily make your punishment worse.
I did not, as I previously stated in the PR, I changed my job title because I wanted to become a gang member. As I was running to pull my weapons out, I noticed him. You noticed me, then changed your job and got a shotgun out on mainstreet... I mean you see when someone is carrying a shotgun so you normally don't equip one on Mainstreet. Then, that reminded me to kill him. The only reason I wanted to become a gang member, was because I was bored of playing as gov, so I decided to become a gang-member. In prison, I became mentally unstable and learnt to hate the police for what they did to me. The President didn't want to deal with it, so I decided to deal with it myself. All you said was "I need the president to jails IMMEDIATELY!!!!%&§$&" if I remember correctly.
v4b1 [12:50:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /request I am requesting the President to the jails IMMEDIATELY.
This was your one and only attempt to contact the president. While in jail, providing a completely uninformative request. If I was the president I would have ignored you as well.
"/request I would like to speak to the president in the jails because I was just demoted and arrested unfairly." or something would have been much better. And more than one attempt would be good, especially once you are out of jail.
The problem with saying that "prison changed you" is that basically allows anyone to revenge kill any cop for any arrest because they can claim the same exact thing. "Prison was so traumatic that I made it my life mission to get revenge" or something.
(Jun 24, 2017, 07:25 PM)Rizion Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 07:18 PM)Constrictor Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 24, 2017, 06:30 PM)Overlewd Wrote: [ -> ]v4b1 [12:49:01] [L²:RP] Rizion (STEAM_0:0:155802914) said: /warrant 186 arrest reckless driving, speeding, lieing to his supervisor
This is a perfectly valid arrest and demotion reason and is entirely your fault. If this reason is not made up, you cannot revenge kill for it. You can only revenge kill for demotions if they are for made up, corrupt reasons. And even then, you should probably talk to the president first. This is basically the same as raiding the president for signing warrants even though the warrant is completely valid, which is also not allowed - Invalid Kill Reason.
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:26] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: job The Clarke Gang - Leader
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) has used 1 12_Gauge
v4b1 [12:57:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) used command: inventory 12_Gauge use 1
v4b1 [12:57:32] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /inventory cw_m3super90 use 1
The job change is also clearly related to you shooting him - you clearly changed your job just so you could shoot him. Also, a recently demoted cop just goes and becomes a gang leader instantly? If it's the same character, it's a really big stretch (and you claim it's the same character at the time). Nonetherless, powergaming - changing jobs just to shoot someone.
Do say if you believe the demotion reason was invalid in some way or if you have anything else to add, within 24 hours.
You do not know the full story behind it. I wasn't even really reckless driving, nor speeding. The only thing I did, was lie to him due to the fact that he had lied to me about the warrant. Oh yeah, and I tried contacting the present but they decided not to respond; logs will prove this. You were reckless driving and speeding - logs will show that you didn't even tried to say "But I wasn't speeding!" or similar... I suggest you not to lie in a PR as this can easily make your punishment worse.
Logs don't show voice chat, but I'm pretty sure I did say that I didn't do that.
I did not, as I previously stated in the PR, I changed my job title because I wanted to become a gang member. As I was running to pull my weapons out, I noticed him. You noticed me, then changed your job and got a shotgun out on mainstreet... I mean you see when someone is carrying a shotgun so you normally don't equip one on Mainstreet.
I changed my job title because I wanted to become a gang member. As I was running to pull my weapons out, I noticed him
Then, that reminded me to kill him. The only reason I wanted to become a gang member, was because I was bored of playing as gov, so I decided to become a gang-member. In prison, I became mentally unstable and learnt to hate the police for what they did to me. The President didn't want to deal with it, so I decided to deal with it myself. All you said was "I need the president to jails IMMEDIATELY!!!!%&§$&" if I remember correctly.
I called him to the jails, and he did not respond - Also, as I said, I became mentally unstable whilst I was in the jails.
(Jun 24, 2017, 07:26 PM)Overlewd Wrote: [ -> ]v4b1 [12:50:31] Constrictor (STEAM_0:1:59960025) said: /request I am requesting the President to the jails IMMEDIATELY.
This was your one and only attempt to contact the president. While in jail, providing a completely uninformative request. If I was the president I would have ignored you as well.
"/request I would like to speak to the president in the jails because I was just demoted and arrested unfairly." or something would have been much better. And more than one attempt would be good, especially once you are out of jail.
The problem with saying that "prison changed you" is that basically allows anyone to revenge kill any cop for any arrest because they can claim the same exact thing. "Prison was so traumatic that I made it my life mission to get revenge" or something.
If I did it anymore, I would've been arrested for abuse of 911. Every time I've asked more than once, I've been arrested as soon as I step out of the jail.
Yes, but I had a valid reason to want to kill him anyway. He falsely demoted me, and also arrested me. They are two extra things to hate him for.
1.) He took my job away from me, meaning I was going to run out of money.
2.) I was falsely imprisoned.
Approved.
On further investigation I was able to confirm that Constrictor was indeed driving very recklessly, swerving off the road and into the wrong lane, as well as speeding. The demotion and arrest reasons are considered valid, therefore revenge killing is forbidden (explanation below).
You cannot use the "jail changed me" story in these cases because otherwise every single person ever arrested would just say that to go revenge kill the cop that arrested them. Same with any demotions ever. People would use the "no job no money" excuse and get revenge even if the demotion is valid and completely their fault.
Your job change is also really dodgy, I'd still say you did it just to kill him, I expect some more RP rather than just change job -> shoot. Makes it look really powergamy.
You also don't have to spam 911, you can do it every so often or pm the president directly once you get out, no reason you should have to do it so often you get arrested for it.