(Jun 9, 2017, 07:05 PM)Murdoch Murdoch Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 06:56 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ]The same you said about the skinheads applies to the left too. I am (weirdly enough) a "SJW Cuck" by your standards, but i do not go around throwing molotovs. Regarding races... Do they even exist? I mean seriously, i think we have different skin colours and slightly different appearances, but that's it. Lastly, i do not know about you in america but in Italy no one has ever asked me about my privilege. Either in your country people are crazy or your sources cherry pick a lot.
Yeah antifa suck but
AAAAAHHHH
Did you even watch the video? Every race has both morphological and psychological differences and it's unreasonable to try and claim otherwise. Of course races exist it's why all races have so many different traits. Including this:
![[Image: a24187238a72e94dcef7c4cde1725366.png]](https://i.gyazo.com/a24187238a72e94dcef7c4cde1725366.png)
You can't look at the statistics and think there's no difference. There's that, plus look at all the best olympic sprinters. Most of them have something in common - they're black.
Like I said, every race has beneficial and detrimental traits and each fit well with the society and environment they came from, hence why they should integrate with those societies where they fit in best, rather than going to countries with different societies and cultures where they establish an only partially functioning parallel society which leads to conflict and unrest within the country.
Could you please provide me where the study comes from? Looks like from 1960? When racial theories were still present?
(Jun 9, 2017, 08:02 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 07:05 PM)Murdoch Murdoch Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 06:56 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ]The same you said about the skinheads applies to the left too. I am (weirdly enough) a "SJW Cuck" by your standards, but i do not go around throwing molotovs. Regarding races... Do they even exist? I mean seriously, i think we have different skin colours and slightly different appearances, but that's it. Lastly, i do not know about you in america but in Italy no one has ever asked me about my privilege. Either in your country people are crazy or your sources cherry pick a lot.
Yeah antifa suck but
AAAAAHHHH
Did you even watch the video? Every race has both morphological and psychological differences and it's unreasonable to try and claim otherwise. Of course races exist it's why all races have so many different traits. Including this:
You can't look at the statistics and think there's no difference. There's that, plus look at all the best olympic sprinters. Most of them have something in common - they're black.
Like I said, every race has beneficial and detrimental traits and each fit well with the society and environment they came from, hence why they should integrate with those societies where they fit in best, rather than going to countries with different societies and cultures where they establish an only partially functioning parallel society which leads to conflict and unrest within the country.
Could you please provide me where the study comes from? Looks like from 1960? When racial theories were still present?
Published in 1994
https://www.aei.org/publication/bell-cur...es-murray/
"What’s happened in the 20 years since then? Not much. The
National Assessment of Educational Progress shows a small narrowing of the gap between 1994 and 2012 on its reading test for 9-year-olds and 13-year-olds (each by the equivalent of about 3 IQ points), but hardly any change for 17-year-olds (about 1 IQ-point-equivalent). For the math test, the gap remained effectively unchanged for all three age groups."
(Jun 9, 2017, 08:07 PM)Invoker Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 08:02 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 07:05 PM)Murdoch Murdoch Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 06:56 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ]The same you said about the skinheads applies to the left too. I am (weirdly enough) a "SJW Cuck" by your standards, but i do not go around throwing molotovs. Regarding races... Do they even exist? I mean seriously, i think we have different skin colours and slightly different appearances, but that's it. Lastly, i do not know about you in america but in Italy no one has ever asked me about my privilege. Either in your country people are crazy or your sources cherry pick a lot.
Yeah antifa suck but
AAAAAHHHH
Did you even watch the video? Every race has both morphological and psychological differences and it's unreasonable to try and claim otherwise. Of course races exist it's why all races have so many different traits. Including this:
You can't look at the statistics and think there's no difference. There's that, plus look at all the best olympic sprinters. Most of them have something in common - they're black.
Like I said, every race has beneficial and detrimental traits and each fit well with the society and environment they came from, hence why they should integrate with those societies where they fit in best, rather than going to countries with different societies and cultures where they establish an only partially functioning parallel society which leads to conflict and unrest within the country.
Could you please provide me where the study comes from? Looks like from 1960? When racial theories were still present?
Published in 1994
https://www.aei.org/publication/bell-cur...es-murray/
"What’s happened in the 20 years since then? Not much. The National Assessment of Educational Progress shows a small narrowing of the gap between 1994 and 2012 on its reading test for 9-year-olds and 13-year-olds (each by the equivalent of about 3 IQ points), but hardly any change for 17-year-olds (about 1 IQ-point-equivalent). For the math test, the gap remained effectively unchanged for all three age groups."
Well... Weird knowing the human genoma has no substantial difference. Probably something to do with income of families or attention given.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...sts-argue/ for proof.
(Jun 9, 2017, 08:02 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 07:05 PM)Murdoch Murdoch Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 06:56 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ]The same you said about the skinheads applies to the left too. I am (weirdly enough) a "SJW Cuck" by your standards, but i do not go around throwing molotovs. Regarding races... Do they even exist? I mean seriously, i think we have different skin colours and slightly different appearances, but that's it. Lastly, i do not know about you in america but in Italy no one has ever asked me about my privilege. Either in your country people are crazy or your sources cherry pick a lot.
Yeah antifa suck but
AAAAAHHHH
Did you even watch the video? Every race has both morphological and psychological differences and it's unreasonable to try and claim otherwise. Of course races exist it's why all races have so many different traits. Including this:
You can't look at the statistics and think there's no difference. There's that, plus look at all the best olympic sprinters. Most of them have something in common - they're black.
Like I said, every race has beneficial and detrimental traits and each fit well with the society and environment they came from, hence why they should integrate with those societies where they fit in best, rather than going to countries with different societies and cultures where they establish an only partially functioning parallel society which leads to conflict and unrest within the country.
Could you please provide me where the study comes from? Looks like from 1960? When racial theories were still present?
Seriously?
The problem in 1960 was that there was no racial theory, so the black population were asked unanswerable questions to 'determine' their IQ because they wanted to keep them out. Granted, it's not a reasonable method, but the actual goal isn't so unreasonable. Now, with more sophisticated and rational studies such as the one referenced in the above post (which is indeed the source) we can see that there actually are differences in race. You can't argue with facts and statistics. Stop trying to appeal to ridicule, we're in the serious discussions now.
(Jun 9, 2017, 08:12 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 08:07 PM)Invoker Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 08:02 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 07:05 PM)Murdoch Murdoch Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 06:56 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ]The same you said about the skinheads applies to the left too. I am (weirdly enough) a "SJW Cuck" by your standards, but i do not go around throwing molotovs. Regarding races... Do they even exist? I mean seriously, i think we have different skin colours and slightly different appearances, but that's it. Lastly, i do not know about you in america but in Italy no one has ever asked me about my privilege. Either in your country people are crazy or your sources cherry pick a lot.
Yeah antifa suck but
AAAAAHHHH
Did you even watch the video? Every race has both morphological and psychological differences and it's unreasonable to try and claim otherwise. Of course races exist it's why all races have so many different traits. Including this:
You can't look at the statistics and think there's no difference. There's that, plus look at all the best olympic sprinters. Most of them have something in common - they're black.
Like I said, every race has beneficial and detrimental traits and each fit well with the society and environment they came from, hence why they should integrate with those societies where they fit in best, rather than going to countries with different societies and cultures where they establish an only partially functioning parallel society which leads to conflict and unrest within the country.
Could you please provide me where the study comes from? Looks like from 1960? When racial theories were still present?
Published in 1994
https://www.aei.org/publication/bell-cur...es-murray/
"What’s happened in the 20 years since then? Not much. The National Assessment of Educational Progress shows a small narrowing of the gap between 1994 and 2012 on its reading test for 9-year-olds and 13-year-olds (each by the equivalent of about 3 IQ points), but hardly any change for 17-year-olds (about 1 IQ-point-equivalent). For the math test, the gap remained effectively unchanged for all three age groups."
Well... Weird knowing the human genoma has no substantial difference. Probably something to do with income of families or attention given.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...sts-argue/ for proof.
I don't see the point of this?
All this article is fundamentally saying is that some scientists speculating and saying they want to do a further study about racial profiling because they're clinging on to their liberal political beliefs, after they saw a study that no race has a 100% different genome to another.
OF COURSE IT DOESN'T.
A 'genome' is every single gene (basically different parts of DNA that 'code' different characteristics). So of course not every single one is going to be different. I mean, on average humans share 96% of their DNA with chimpanzees. There is no organism on earth that we have a 100% different genome to. All this is doing is stating the beyond obvious.
Seeing as that's literally the only actual fact in this article which holds no bearing to your argument, I don't see why you linked it.
(Jun 9, 2017, 08:29 PM)Murdoch Murdoch Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 08:12 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 08:07 PM)Invoker Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 08:02 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 9, 2017, 07:05 PM)Murdoch Murdoch Wrote: [ -> ]Snip
I don't see the point of this?
All this article is fundamentally saying is that some scientists speculating and saying they want to do a further study about racial profiling because they're clinging on to their liberal political beliefs, after they saw a study that no race has a 100% different genome to another. OF COURSE IT DOESN'T.
A 'genome' is every single gene (basically different parts of DNA that 'code' different characteristics). So of course not every single one is going to be different. I mean, on average humans share 96% of their DNA with chimpanzees. There is no organism on earth that we have a 100% different genome to. All this is doing is stating the beyond obvious.
Seeing as that's literally the only actual fact in this article which holds no bearing to your argument, I don't see why you linked it.
Because liberals think speculation-based, narrative-enforcing ultra egalitarian studies hold ground against the very laws of nature itself.
Stop thinking man is above nature, libs. We're all animals.
On a side note, we're starting to sidetrack real hard here. Not sure if anyone has a problem with that but we might want to go back to the core of the discussion.
(Jun 9, 2017, 08:34 PM)Invoker Wrote: [ -> ]On a side note, we're starting to sidetrack real hard here. Not sure if anyone has a problem with that but we might want to go back to the core of the discussion.
No we're not.
(Jun 7, 2017, 01:01 PM)Safira Wrote: [ -> ][...]
I'd be interested to know what your stances are on the Alt-Right - if you align with them, oppose them, think nothing of them, etc.
Do you agree with any of their tenets (immigration, white genocide, masculinity)? Have you had any experience with self-identifying Alt-Rightists? [...]
Any thoughts/opinions welcome.
Multiculturalism and Jewish control of the economy.
We pointed out the lines of policy that are being pursued are bound to end in disaster. (((They))) talked of what they called 'multiracialism', which was simply a universal mix up. Take humanity, put it in a bag, shake it together, and heaven knows what would come out. They want to get rid of what existed. All the little grey people of the world who hate beautiful diversity of human development. They always wanted to get rid of the natural, the noble and the beautiful. They wanted to get rid of it. They want to make all nature as grey as themselves. It is their deep instinct. We were always opposed to that. We said "No it won't work, and it's undesirable that it should work".
We can live in peace and friendship side by side in separate nations and separate developments, but we cannot have the mix up of peoples and races who are widely different and divergent. It will lead to nothing but trouble.
This policy of mixture, what does it really mean? It doesn't mean "freedom", it doesn't mean "brotherhood", or any of the can't and the humbug which is taught. That is just the mask for some of the finest forces in the world to exploit the people as they have done in the past.
Everyone with knowledge of history is aware how the financial forces in the thirties went into these backwards countries. Into India, into the Empire, into Hong Kong, into Japan, into China, and exploited these people to produce cheap sweated goods which ruined the great industries of Europe. Which got Lancashire out of business in the cotton trade, Yorkshire out of business in the woollen trade. These poor devils were exploited for a few shillings a week. For what purpose? To enable the city of London and Wall Street New York to make fatter profits.
That is why it was done, that was the whole purpose. But with what result? China thrown in the arms of communism. The largest population in the world simply tossed as a present to communism. Because if you treat people like that, it's the only possible result. If there's no one go help them, no one to save them, and they've simply be ground into poverty and sweating and exploitated, what can you expect apart from them going communist as they did.
All these countries that have been exploited, thrown and tossed aside by finance are becoming the victims of communism. So finance seeks fresh fields of exploitation, where do they turn when the old people are exhausted? When many poor labourers died of consumption and other horrible diseases in their sweatshops, or when their exhausted fields of exploitation, where do they turn now?
Europe. New pastures, new forests, fresh virgin land. And then when we vote and elect a government, and under that government we allow these things to happen as we have done in the past. Those poor devils are going to be sweating and exploited in Africa like the other poor souls in China, India and Japan. A great new field for sweatshops to be opened up. So that these new industries which we're creating in Europe today will be destroyed as the old industries were. Simplified, rationalized machinery holding a few elite jewish surveyors at the cost of masses of cheap coloured labour. Torn off the land and taken into the sweatshops to work and labour and cough their guts out with tuberculosis. Until they too are thrown in the scrapheap of the sweatshops.
Is that worthy of Europe? Is that to be the future of Europe? Is this competition to be organized within our European Brotherhood? Bringing in these sweatfields in Africa into our European civilization, so that the financial power in one European country can use it against the financial power in another.
All the great financial central power of the world has shifted from our own countried to Wall Street, New York.
Which shall be able, on the mass of money, of wealth and of power, which it brings to it, again and again to exert its influence in politics. As you see today.
It is childish nonsense to say that a European government rules Europe. It has nothing to do with European government or European people.
The government of the world is the financial government. The power of money and money alone.
The laws of nature and racemixing.
There are certain truths that stand out so openly on the roadsides of life, that every passerby may see them, yet because of their very obviousness, the general run of people disregard such truths. Or at least they do not make them the object of any conscious knowledge.
People are so blind to some of the simplest facts in everyday life, that they are highly surprised when somebody calls attention to what everybody ought to know. All the innumerable forms in which the life urge of nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law. One may call it an iron law of nature, which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life form when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The tip mouse cohabits only with the tip mouse. The Finch with the Finch, the stork with the stork. The field mouse with the field mouse, the house mouse with the house mouse. The wolf with the she-wolf, etcetera.
Every crossing between two breeds that are not quite equal, results in a product that holds an intermediate place between the levels of the two parents. This means that the offspring will indeed be superior to the parent which stands in the biologically lower order of being, but not so high as the higher parent.
For this reason it must eventually succumb in any battle against the higher species. The stronger must dominate, and not mate with the weaker.
This urge for the maintenance of the unmixed breed, which is a phenomenon that prevails throughout the whole of the natural world, results not only in the sharply defined outward distinction between one species and a other, but also in the internal similarity of characteristic qualities which are peculiar to each breed or species.
If nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one. Because in such a case, all her effort throughout hundreds of thousands of years to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile.
If we review all the causes which contributed to bring about the downfall of our people, we shall find that the most profound and decisive cause must be attributed to the lack of insight into the racial problem, and especially in the failure to recognize the danger. By neglecting the problem of preserving the racial foundations of our national life.
The old Empire abrogated the sole right which entitles the people to live on this planet. Nations that make mongrels of their people, or allow their people to be turned into mongrels, sin against the will of eternal Providence, and thus their overthrow at the hands of the stronger cannot be looked upon as a wrong. On the contrary, as a restoration of justice.
If a people refuses to guard and uphold the qualities with which it has been endowed by nature, and which have their roots in the racial blood, then such a people has no right to complain over the loss of its earthly existence. Everything on this earth can be made into something better. Into something that, provided that the racial blood is kept pure. But the loss of racial purity will degrade man for all time to come. And the physical and moral consequences can never be wiped out. If this unique problem be studied and compared with the other problems of life, we shall easily recognize how small is their importance and comparison with this.
anti-Semitism in the alt right.
We are all limited to time, but the problem of the maintenance or loss of the purity of the racial blood will last as long as man himself.
The black haired Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end. Satanically glaring at, and spying on the unsuspicious girl who he plans to seduce. Adulterating her blood and removing her from the bosom of her own people. The jew uses every possible means to undermine the racial foundations of a subjugated people. In his systematic efforts to ruin girls and women, he strives to break down the barriers of discrimination between him and other people's.
The Jews are responsible for bringing in foreigners into Europe, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate, and thus lowering its cultural and political level, so that the Jew may dominate. For as long as a people remain racially pure, and are conscious of the pressure of their blood, they can never be overcome by the Jew. Never in this world can the Jew become master of any people, except the bastardized.
That is why the Jews systematically endeavours to lower the racial quality of the people, by permanently adulterating the blood of the individual who make up that people.
The star of David steadily ascended, as the will to national self-preservation declined. (Coincidentally after WWII this has exponentially risen, when the Jews got their official 'homeland.')
Bump, needs more diverse input
(Jun 10, 2017, 07:06 PM)Invoker Wrote: [ -> ]Bump, needs more diverse input
Diversity is strength goyim
Well I'll be honest and say I didn't read through every single post, but I'll still throw my thoughts in here.
#1: About that study, it may be true that black people comparatively score lower on IQ tests, this is most likely because of a complicated history that haunts us today. Due to history, African Americans today face complex socio-economic issues. These issues then go on to effect education, thus why you see lower IQ scores, being poor effects education for a multitude of reasons. This has nothing to do with genetics and is purely environmental, higher poverty, lower IQ. High poverty, higher crime. Don't confuse the skin tone with IQ or crime rate.
Anyway, that aside. I think the Alt-right movement is a very valid movement. I think that in the recent age, a bunch of bullshit has been embraced and exaggerated beyond belief. For example, Feminism, or BLM movement. Women are legally equal to men, women are paid as much as men for the same job (educate yourself, 75 cents to a dollar is complete BS). Do women have issues in certain aspects of society, of course they do - but so do men. I respect feminists and feminism that is based on modern day issues, based on fact, that respect the idea that men have issues as well.
I think the "Meninist" movement often associated with the "alt right", stemmed from the feminist movement. Someone somewhere said "Hey they have feminists to embrace women's issues, why don't we talk about mens issues too". It really upsets me that this movement is often characterized as extremist or as part of the alt-right. Crazy feminists cannot STAND the idea that men also have a set of issues that are in equal standing to women's issues. I think why this movement truly originated was because men were being shut down for claiming to have issues as well. I've experienced it first-hand "WHAT ISSUES COULD MEN POSSIBLY HAVE". There's an entire list of men's issues, that are seemingly thrown under the rug. Some feminists claim that they also support mens issues, which just isn't true because they'd be focusing on equality at that point, not feminism.
What I don't understand is that men's rights organizations are undermined by most people, yet feminism is embraced by society wholly. It's fuckin ridiculous. Feminists have a set of issues, so do men. Everyone should respect everyone, but it seems society favors feminism despite overwhelming evidence that men and women ARE equal in today's society (at least in America). I think the alt-right movement stemmed from such irony.
It's the same thing with the BLM movement, yes - we hear you. You guys have a lot of issues, and we understand that. But white people also have issues, thus the WLM movement. Who the hell are you to say that BLM issues are more important than white people's problems. Every race has a set of issues, don't be loud and obnoxious and act like your race is more entitled to attention.
Like I get it, women have issues, and so do black people. Perhaps they even have more issues than men and white people. But the fact of the matter is, everyone has issues... If you're truly about equality why scrutinize another group for expressing their issues? Don't you want the best for them as well?
Now personally, I'm not saying either group is right. Black people, minorities and women probably have a lot more issues than others based exclusively on history. However, if you're going to be a part of these groups - Do not undermine other people's issues, no matter what group.
Part of me wants to go join a men's right, white movement - simply to match the extremism on the left. It just feels like that alt-left is a lot more acceptable than the alt-right, BLM discriminating against white people, feminists claiming men have no issues. I truly think the alt-right movement formed from such behavior, it's extremism to match extremism. I tend to agree with the alt-right though, the outrage is completely misled. Don't be mad at a men's rights group if you have feminism, don't be mad a WLM if you have BLM. If you want equality, this is equality. But everyone gets upset because they think their issues are more important than other people's, f off.
(Jun 11, 2017, 05:43 AM)Vauld Wrote: [ -> ]Well I'll be honest and say I didn't read through every single post, but I'll still throw my thoughts in here.
#1: About that study, it may be true that black people comparatively score lower on IQ tests, this is most likely because of a complicated history that haunts us today. Due to history, African Americans today face complex socio-economic issues. These issues then go on to effect education, thus why you see lower IQ scores, being poor effects education for a multitude of reasons. This has nothing to do with genetics and is purely environmental, higher poverty, lower IQ. High poverty, higher crime. Don't confuse the skin tone with IQ or crime rate.
Anyway, that aside. I think the Alt-right movement is a very valid movement. I think that in the recent age, a bunch of bullshit has been embraced and exaggerated beyond belief. For example, Feminism, or BLM movement. Women are legally equal to men, women are paid as much as men for the same job (educate yourself, 75 cents to a dollar is complete BS). Do women have issues in certain aspects of society, of course they do - but so do men. I respect feminists and feminism that is based on modern day issues, based on fact, that respect the idea that men have issues as well.
I think the "Meninist" movement often associated with the "alt right", stemmed from the feminist movement. Someone somewhere said "Hey they have feminists to embrace women's issues, why don't we talk about mens issues too". It really upsets me that this movement is often characterized as extremist or as part of the alt-right. Crazy feminists cannot STAND the idea that men also have a set of issues that are in equal standing to women's issues. I think why this movement truly originated was because men were being shut down for claiming to have issues as well. I've experienced it first-hand "WHAT ISSUES COULD MEN POSSIBLY HAVE". There's an entire list of men's issues, that are seemingly thrown under the rug. Some feminists claim that they also support mens issues, which just isn't true because they'd be focusing on equality at that point, not feminism.
What I don't understand is that men's rights organizations are undermined by most people, yet feminism is embraced by society wholly. It's fuckin ridiculous. Feminists have a set of issues, so do men. Everyone should respect everyone, but it seems society favors feminism despite overwhelming evidence that men and women ARE equal in today's society (at least in America). I think the alt-right movement stemmed from such irony.
It's the same thing with the BLM movement, yes - we hear you. You guys have a lot of issues, and we understand that. But white people also have issues, thus the WLM movement. Who the hell are you to say that BLM issues are more important than white people's problems. Every race has a set of issues, don't be loud and obnoxious and act like your race is more entitled to attention.
Like I get it, women have issues, and so do black people. Perhaps they even have more issues than men and white people. But the fact of the matter is, everyone has issues... If you're truly about equality why scrutinize another group for expressing their issues? Don't you want the best for them as well?
Now personally, I'm not saying either group is right. Black people, minorities and women probably have a lot more issues than others based exclusively on history. However, if you're going to be a part of these groups - Do not undermine other people's issues, no matter what group.
Part of me wants to go join a men's right, white movement - simply to match the extremism on the left. It just feels like that alt-left is a lot more acceptable than the alt-right, BLM discriminating against white people, feminists claiming men have no issues. I truly think the alt-right movement formed from such behavior, it's extremism to match extremism. I tend to agree with the alt-right though, the outrage is completely misled. Don't be mad at a men's rights group if you have feminism, don't be mad a WLM if you have BLM. If you want equality, this is equality. But everyone gets upset because they think their issues are more important than other people's, f off.
I agree with you. Politics should be a normal and calm discussion, not a FFA shouting match. In Italy we get some of those scenarios too (Antifas rioting at right-wing conventions, Far-right groups rioting, vandalizing refugee shelters, both groups causing violent riots and putting peaceful protests off guard). I think doing such things just helps the opposite idea to get through.
Would like it if someone from opposition could address the JQ (Jewish Question)