(Apr 13, 2017, 09:09 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 13, 2017, 07:18 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ]Most city police departments have a dedicated tactical team, including SWAT. Evo city in my opinion would have their own dedicated team so I wouldn't go down the road of having all cops and then having them change into tactical gear. You only see that in places where the department does not have enough money to support a full-time team and training. Evo city is not a small town or somewhere isolated from the world fair to say.
As for SWAT themselves, no they do not patrol unless there's a crisis such as the president issuing a lockdown, or a terrorist attack or a gun battle where police are overwhelmed.
For the argument of "I saw a call on the radio where guys had guns" that is invalid because remember not all police requests are real. However there are police codes and plans to where SWAT would be put on standby, but not officially called until a police officer can confirm the heavy firepower and call for backup.
So to put it together, SWAT are the guys that come when the police can't handle it. They do not go in first, the officer does unless they require help or the president/sergeant or person in charge deems it necessary for them to intervene. For example if the cops are getting gunned down and its obvious that there's a direct threat I would not have any issues personally with SWAT voluntarily assisting.
Note I'm not an admin so I wouldn't take what I'm saying to heart on the server, however I use to be a super admin so I hope it helps bud.
Major departments have full time tact teams, but a city like EvoCity wouldn't have one in my opinion. In the two counties where I live and work, with a combined population of ~1 million, there are only three tactical teams. None of them are full time. Both sheriff departments have one and there is a regional one consisting of officers from multiple departments. The only readily available tactical units are officers in the departments that are certified SWAT operators and they are patrolling until they get a call out.
I understand your point however I still have to disagree, mainly being that it's not exactly the size of the department but the funding they receive. It's rather fair to say that the Evo City PD have a lot of crime to handle, as well as a lot of tickets and fines to hand out. With higher crime rates comes a stronger necessity for a better equipped police force. Thus, higher budgets and funding are given to them to keep said peace.
(Apr 14, 2017, 12:18 AM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 13, 2017, 09:09 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 13, 2017, 07:18 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ]Most city police departments have a dedicated tactical team, including SWAT. Evo city in my opinion would have their own dedicated team so I wouldn't go down the road of having all cops and then having them change into tactical gear. You only see that in places where the department does not have enough money to support a full-time team and training. Evo city is not a small town or somewhere isolated from the world fair to say.
As for SWAT themselves, no they do not patrol unless there's a crisis such as the president issuing a lockdown, or a terrorist attack or a gun battle where police are overwhelmed.
For the argument of "I saw a call on the radio where guys had guns" that is invalid because remember not all police requests are real. However there are police codes and plans to where SWAT would be put on standby, but not officially called until a police officer can confirm the heavy firepower and call for backup.
So to put it together, SWAT are the guys that come when the police can't handle it. They do not go in first, the officer does unless they require help or the president/sergeant or person in charge deems it necessary for them to intervene. For example if the cops are getting gunned down and its obvious that there's a direct threat I would not have any issues personally with SWAT voluntarily assisting.
Note I'm not an admin so I wouldn't take what I'm saying to heart on the server, however I use to be a super admin so I hope it helps bud.
Major departments have full time tact teams, but a city like EvoCity wouldn't have one in my opinion. In the two counties where I live and work, with a combined population of ~1 million, there are only three tactical teams. None of them are full time. Both sheriff departments have one and there is a regional one consisting of officers from multiple departments. The only readily available tactical units are officers in the departments that are certified SWAT operators and they are patrolling until they get a call out.
I understand your point however I still have to disagree, mainly being that it's not exactly the size of the department but the funding they receive. It's rather fair to say that the Evo City PD have a lot of crime to handle, as well as a lot of tickets and fines to hand out. With higher crime rates comes a stronger necessity for a better equipped police force. Thus, higher budgets and funding are given to them to keep said peace.
But don't you think a better equipped police force would be patrol officers having access to SWAT equipment on the fly? Instead of having to call in SWAT, which may or may not be there.
(Apr 14, 2017, 12:24 AM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 14, 2017, 12:18 AM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 13, 2017, 09:09 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 13, 2017, 07:18 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ]Most city police departments have a dedicated tactical team, including SWAT. Evo city in my opinion would have their own dedicated team so I wouldn't go down the road of having all cops and then having them change into tactical gear. You only see that in places where the department does not have enough money to support a full-time team and training. Evo city is not a small town or somewhere isolated from the world fair to say.
As for SWAT themselves, no they do not patrol unless there's a crisis such as the president issuing a lockdown, or a terrorist attack or a gun battle where police are overwhelmed.
For the argument of "I saw a call on the radio where guys had guns" that is invalid because remember not all police requests are real. However there are police codes and plans to where SWAT would be put on standby, but not officially called until a police officer can confirm the heavy firepower and call for backup.
So to put it together, SWAT are the guys that come when the police can't handle it. They do not go in first, the officer does unless they require help or the president/sergeant or person in charge deems it necessary for them to intervene. For example if the cops are getting gunned down and its obvious that there's a direct threat I would not have any issues personally with SWAT voluntarily assisting.
Note I'm not an admin so I wouldn't take what I'm saying to heart on the server, however I use to be a super admin so I hope it helps bud.
Major departments have full time tact teams, but a city like EvoCity wouldn't have one in my opinion. In the two counties where I live and work, with a combined population of ~1 million, there are only three tactical teams. None of them are full time. Both sheriff departments have one and there is a regional one consisting of officers from multiple departments. The only readily available tactical units are officers in the departments that are certified SWAT operators and they are patrolling until they get a call out.
I understand your point however I still have to disagree, mainly being that it's not exactly the size of the department but the funding they receive. It's rather fair to say that the Evo City PD have a lot of crime to handle, as well as a lot of tickets and fines to hand out. With higher crime rates comes a stronger necessity for a better equipped police force. Thus, higher budgets and funding are given to them to keep said peace.
But don't you think a better equipped police force would be patrol officers having access to SWAT equipment on the fly? Instead of having to call in SWAT, which may or may not be there.
They certainly should have better equipment yea, however training is a different aspect. A dedicated SWAT team it requires much longer to train than normal police academies. For example the average for police academy training in 2006 was around 19 weeks, or 133 days (at least according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics). But SWAT extends that, though varying just like academies. They learn techniques that officers do not normally learn, or should emphasize on. For example blowing holes in walls and so on. They are specialists in actively thwarting heavily armed threats or high-risk situations. Those of which officers are not prepared for, even WITH better equipment. Although additional officer training could help the situation like attending voluntary classes, they still do not add up to regular SWAT training.
So with that in mind, with the addition of training its better to keep a dedicated team instead of trying to train the entire police force to act like SWAT, it consumes time and additional funds that could be used elsewhere.
https://www.bjs.gov/
In places like the UK, you'll find that armed units tend to patrol as regular officers, and then attend any armed incident which comes in, they patrol in twos and in armed response vehicles, and with their firearm and gear (except for helmet) on them. You'll find that many UK police forces, such as the Metropolitan Police and Police Scotland (two biggest in the UK) do this. I'm aware EvoCity is in America, but I'm sure American departments do use similar arrangements. Remember that armed officers are still police officers at the end of the day, and they are expensive to keep sitting about.
, do you have anything else to state?
Deadline till closure: Friday 28th April 2017
Unless a question is asked by anyone.
I was just hoping we'd get a staff member who can actually give us a proper statement on what they can or cannot do.
Paging and so you can see what they have to say. I imagine their response will be similar to that that's already been said, though.
SWAT cant patrol
SWAT are SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS which generally if something fits into needing one of them you need SWAT too
Any specific questions just
me with it 
Since you've been given a reply, I'll leave this thread open until the date mentioned in case you have any further questions.
As stated, Swat should not patrol. Unless there is a callout for them to be out, they should remain at base on standby. The exception being training, lockdown or high risk situations.
Have it be a roll assigned to officers as a part time thing by supervisor (/swat when looking at cruiser).
People need to stay entertained when in a role.
I will say officially:
SWAT are allowed to respond to anything, but only if they're requested or lose contact with officers. Them deploying on their own accord usually ends in a logistical cluster fuck.
They're allowed to commit to "regular" officer roles such as traffic stops if they witness it.
(Apr 26, 2017, 03:41 AM)Nightmare Wrote: [ -> ]Anything else ?
Nope.