(Feb 27, 2017, 08:45 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]Removing the colors removes the immediate metagaming that everyone, and i mean EVERYONE does without even thinking about it.
Guy wants to sneak into the PD station with a stolen uniform? Hes not blue, and thus we know hes not really a cop, and thus, do literaly everything we can to catch him.
This happens all the time with every job no matter what they are doing, and most people do it without even thinking about it, its just a knee jerk reaction.
Remove the color, remove the metagameing
Okay so then once you do that, you also don't know who's on your team or who's even around for OOC purposes. For example if you want to make a police station RP as the sergeant and you have to have all of your officers for the RP and need them to listen, but then one doesn't show up, how do you know who to demote?
You don't know who's on your team, you only know how many there are, and then you only have the names of the people in front of you.
One thing I would support is removing the color of their name if you're looking at their model, but the scoreboard will just cause more problems than it will solve.
More importantly it's impossible to get rid of metagaming. That's just like saying if you take all the ammo from Detroit, the murder rate will go away. Sure it'll go down, but more problems will come up.
You cut off one head and more will replace that head.
It's not worth it, and if anything its a step backwards as you create more problems instead of fixing them.
-Support
First of all, the server is Semi-Serious. Second of all, it's gonna look absolutely stupid and there isn't really a point in it. You're gonna be able to know how many people are each job anyways, and the scoreboard is an unique part of LimeLight.
While I do like the idea and can see the benefits this might have I also think that the ability to customize the title of one's job is too integral a part of the roleplay on this server to be removed. Metagaming can always be easily mitigated by staff and hasn't (in my eyes) been the biggest problem on the servers recently. I think that if we remove job titles it's gonna severely cut the amount of creativity people will put in to their roleplays as /job is essentially the customization of what role you want to play.
(Feb 27, 2017, 09:48 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ] (Feb 27, 2017, 08:45 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]Removing the colors removes the immediate metagaming that everyone, and i mean EVERYONE does without even thinking about it.
Guy wants to sneak into the PD station with a stolen uniform? Hes not blue, and thus we know hes not really a cop, and thus, do literaly everything we can to catch him.
This happens all the time with every job no matter what they are doing, and most people do it without even thinking about it, its just a knee jerk reaction.
Remove the color, remove the metagameing
Okay so then once you do that, you also don't know who's on your team or who's even around for OOC purposes. For example if you want to make a police station RP as the sergeant and you have to have all of your officers for the RP and need them to listen, but then one doesn't show up, how do you know who to demote?
More functionality for the Police Database that has a roster of all gov online? Maybe a way for criminals to hack a Policedb to put their name in it temporarily?
You don't know who's on your team, you only know how many there are, and then you only have the names of the people in front of you.
I think if job titles and colors were removed, all jobs except for the dealer jobs (Chef, Gun Dealer, Mechanic, etc.) and Government would go. That means you would have to create your OWN group and not go by the boundaries set by a pre-defined job like Anarchist and Corleone. This already happens and the criminal roles we give in F1 are never really followed in terms of realistic roleplay. Anarchists are seen having massive firefights with police and Corleones are seen mugging players, as a few examples.
One thing I would support is removing the color of their name if you're looking at their model, but the scoreboard will just cause more problems than it will solve.
A list of the problems would be helpful to hear from as this is a huge step for LL and any problems that we can attempt to fix need to be stated.
More importantly it's impossible to get rid of metagaming. That's just like saying if you take all the ammo from Detroit, the murder rate will go away. Sure it'll go down, but more problems will come up.
It is impossible, but it can have positives towards players and their RP's. Not to mention we could possibly handle those problems before this is even implemented (If it is.) if the problems were mentioned.
You cut off one head and more will replace that head.
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It's not worth it, and if anything its a step backwards as you create more problems instead of fixing them.
Again, the more we can hear about these problems the better we can understand how this can be a step backwards.
(Feb 28, 2017, 12:44 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ] (Feb 27, 2017, 09:48 PM)Preditor Wrote: [ -> ] (Feb 27, 2017, 08:45 PM)BlackDog Wrote: [ -> ]Removing the colors removes the immediate metagaming that everyone, and i mean EVERYONE does without even thinking about it.
Guy wants to sneak into the PD station with a stolen uniform? Hes not blue, and thus we know hes not really a cop, and thus, do literaly everything we can to catch him.
This happens all the time with every job no matter what they are doing, and most people do it without even thinking about it, its just a knee jerk reaction.
Remove the color, remove the metagameing
Okay so then once you do that, you also don't know who's on your team or who's even around for OOC purposes. For example if you want to make a police station RP as the sergeant and you have to have all of your officers for the RP and need them to listen, but then one doesn't show up, how do you know who to demote?
More functionality for the Police Database that has a roster of all gov online? Maybe a way for criminals to hack a Policedb to put their name in it temporarily?
You don't know who's on your team, you only know how many there are, and then you only have the names of the people in front of you.
I think if job titles and colors were removed, all jobs except for the dealer jobs (Chef, Gun Dealer, Mechanic, etc.) and Government would go. That means you would have to create your OWN group and not go by the boundaries set by a pre-defined job like Anarchist and Corleone. This already happens and the criminal roles we give in F1 are never really followed in terms of realistic roleplay. Anarchists are seen having massive firefights with police and Corleones are seen mugging players, as a few examples.
One thing I would support is removing the color of their name if you're looking at their model, but the scoreboard will just cause more problems than it will solve.
A list of the problems would be helpful to hear from as this is a huge step for LL and any problems that we can attempt to fix need to be stated.
More importantly it's impossible to get rid of metagaming. That's just like saying if you take all the ammo from Detroit, the murder rate will go away. Sure it'll go down, but more problems will come up.
It is impossible, but it can have positives towards players and their RP's. Not to mention we could possibly handle those problems before this is even implemented (If it is.) if the problems were mentioned.
You cut off one head and more will replace that head.
It's not worth it, and if anything its a step backwards as you create more problems instead of fixing them.
Again, the more we can hear about these problems the better we can understand how this can be a step backwards.
Making a database would be a fix for that yes. But if you get rid of the scoreboard that would also have to be pushed to avoid the problem.
Now this is an issue, you NEED predefined jobs. You can't assume everyone will get along and make groups together. One of the perks of having predefined jobs is that it can ally players in the same faction for a common goal, instead of isolating everyone into one big group. If it was one big group then it may discourage players to socialize with others. The predefined groups give them an excuse to bond together whether you know them or not.
As for the problems I was just summarizing what I was saying, if you're going to implement this you have to have other works ready to replace the scoreboard, such as the police database you mentioned. Which in my eyes is unnecessary work that would only delay the developers time from which they could be better using for other updates.
Moments like these are where you should draw the line between serious and semi serious RP. As I stated originally if you want more realism and immersion open another server, don't change this one. Garrysmod has already shown that players prefer more semi-serious fields than serious. If you keep going for a more realistic, serious perspective you will find more players leaving.
With that in mind, you'd have more content and advanced features, but less players. Or you have less content and simple features, but more players.
Another point to be made here is how a newly joining player might perceive the server when they
first take a gander at the scoreboard. What they see affects what they will want to do and if they
see nothing but a blank uninformative list of names I don't think they'll be inspired or compelled to
do very much themselves. I think this will isolate roleplayers from eachother therefore I'm voting no.
Atleast the voice color coding needs to go.
It's quite difficult to know what this change will give.
Why not give it a try, for example a week.
And see what happens and let people vote after that if they want to keep it or not.
Edit: And slam up a big notification when you join the server that the scoreboard is under testing.
So new players doesn't get confused.
(Feb 28, 2017, 02:05 PM)Mr.Sir Wrote: [ -> ]It's quite difficult to know what this change will give.
Why not give it a try, for example a week.
And see what happens and let people vote after that if they want to keep it or not.
Edit: And slam up a big notification when you join the server that the scoreboard is under testing.
So new players doesn't get confused.
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(Feb 27, 2017, 04:01 PM)francysol3c Wrote: [ -> ]+ support
so if i am RP'ing as an undercover police officer, i could do /job Citizen, not be seen, and then proceed to spy on criminals.
Francysol3cs point is really good, but I don't know what to think at the moment.
Can you perhaps provide an image of what you want it to look like please?
Neutral
I think this could work very well.
I'd like to see Ingame names completely hidden to those who are not on a recognised list. Could go hand in hand with a passport/ID card system.
I personally think meta gaming is still a very big issue, even if you don't do it you still know and it's difficult to RP around it. Genuine unknown is far more interesting