Aug 28, 2016, 04:49 PM
Aug 28, 2016, 05:18 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 04:30 PM)Kung Fury Wrote: [ -> ]George Wrote:It was developed by the US Army. If you don't think they already have some access, you're naive.
Tor is open source, and it is such a high-profile target that people go looking through the source code and find things like bugs all the time. If there was a back door in the Tor protocol, it would have been found long ago. Besides, if the US Navy did give people like the FBI access like you believe, then it wouldn't have taken them years to take down the Silk Road drug marketplace, and all the current marketplaces wouldn't be up.
I'm not doubting that it isn't a secure method for criminals to use but I do believe that the CIA, NSA, GCHQ and many other intelligence services have some level of access that the public is not aware of. The techniques used and operations conducted by the NSA and GCHQ as revealed by Edward Snowden is something many people didn't think was possible. No level of encryption or other means of security will ever be 100% secure.
Also, keeping online drug market places up allows governments to keep track of users and can also lead to more arrests. In fact, there was a case recently about a British man who abused hundreds of children in developing countries and then boasted about it on a dark web site. The police arrested the owner of the site but kept it running so they could gather more evidence. You can read about how they caught him here:
Aug 28, 2016, 05:53 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 05:18 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not doubting that it isn't a secure method for criminals to use but I do believe that the CIA, NSA, GCHQ and many other intelligence services have some level of access that the public is not aware of. The techniques used and operations conducted by the NSA and GCHQ as revealed by Edward Snowden is something many people didn't think was possible. No level of encryption or other means of security will ever be 100% secure.
You could be right about the CIA, NSA or whoever having access (I've seen research which says cracking current encryption would take a massive amount of processing power and time, but I digress), however this information should not be allowed to be handed off to law enforcement , and they shouldn't be able to hack you just because you make an attempt to conceal your location or activity. People say they have nothing to hide because they're not plotting to bomb anything or something like that. However the government sees things differently, and if you pose a threat to their power they consider you a threat. I know I posted this already in this thread but I highly recommend that everyone does some reading on
I also recommend this short TED Talk from a reporter who received a visit from the FBI because he decided to participate as part of an environmental activist group.
The government may claim to be targeting terrorism, but they in fact target anyone who opposes their power.
Aug 28, 2016, 06:53 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 06:48 AM)Kung Fury Wrote: [ -> ](Aug 28, 2016, 06:10 AM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ]Who cares. I'm not doing anything illegal. If you're not, you shouldn't have to worry about it.
By this logic, should I allow the police or anyone else into my home at any time because I have nothing to hide? Should lawful gun owners be subject to arbitrary searches because criminals use guns? Simply using Tor or a VPN is not evidence of criminal activity, and should not warrant being hacked by the FBI.
You say that if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear because it's the FBI, but this is not true.The FBI has a history of targeting people that have not done anything wrong, but do pose a challenge to the status quo. One prominent example is Martin Luther King who, because of his leadership of the civil rights movement, was considered the biggest threat to national security. Martin Luther King did nothing wrong, but the FBI didn't care about that, they cared about the challenge he posed to power.
It states in this article that they need a warrant to do it. Sure they most likely still do it without warrants, but obviously that's not going to be stated. Your first argument doesn't really relate to this. They'd need a warrant to search my house unless I gave them permission, just like with going into other's computers. From what I get from this, you're some anti-government conspiracy theorist who thinks the government is Big Brother and is out to get everyone.
Aug 28, 2016, 07:01 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 02:44 PM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Little story to prove George:
Cousin browsing porn
Accidentally sees child porn by clicking a link
Not even a full 5 seconds before he goes back and refreshes the google searches to leave the page
In 1 hour, he's given a house call by Mandeville SWAT
They do already have access, and sometimes they will use that info if not in the present, the future.
Please feed me more bullshit I like it
Aug 28, 2016, 07:47 PM
it doesnt rly matter fellers
unless ur buying a 50k xanax bars across borders ur prob ok lol
"The post is wholesale nonsense. You'll know something truly worrisome has happened with regards to the FBI's investigation methods, if vendors start getting captured at a 50+% rate, all within a few months of setting up shop.
The rate, as it stands now, is likely less than 2%, and has been so for years.
Remember, Law Enforcement likes to put out its own propaganda touting its alleged successes."
unless ur buying a 50k xanax bars across borders ur prob ok lol
"The post is wholesale nonsense. You'll know something truly worrisome has happened with regards to the FBI's investigation methods, if vendors start getting captured at a 50+% rate, all within a few months of setting up shop.
The rate, as it stands now, is likely less than 2%, and has been so for years.
Remember, Law Enforcement likes to put out its own propaganda touting its alleged successes."
Aug 28, 2016, 08:07 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 06:53 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ]It states in this article that they need a warrant to do it. Sure they most likely still do it without warrants, but obviously that's not going to be stated. Your first argument doesn't really relate to this. They'd need a warrant to search my house unless I gave them permission, just like with going into other's computers. From what I get from this, you're some anti-government conspiracy theorist who thinks the government is Big Brother and is out to get everyone.
The article says the the FBI wants using Tor or other concealment alone to be enough evidence for a warrant. If you use Tor, they can get a warrant to hack you because criminals often use Tor. That's like saying if you lock your door, the police can get a warrant to search your home because criminals often lock their doors.
And you call me some conspiracy nut who makes up bullshit? Have I not provided evidence to back up my claims wherever I can? Am I wrong to resent government agencies like the NSA and FBI knowing the kind of things that they do? Things like
I think these are things that are very concerning and shouldn't happen in a supposedly free society like ours. Despite what others here are saying, these kinds of things do matter and people should care. For caring about these things I am labeled a "conspiracy theorist" like I wear a tin foil hat to make sure signals don't get into my brain or something.
Aug 28, 2016, 08:57 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 08:07 PM)Kung Fury Wrote: [ -> ](Aug 28, 2016, 06:53 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ]It states in this article that they need a warrant to do it. Sure they most likely still do it without warrants, but obviously that's not going to be stated. Your first argument doesn't really relate to this. They'd need a warrant to search my house unless I gave them permission, just like with going into other's computers. From what I get from this, you're some anti-government conspiracy theorist who thinks the government is Big Brother and is out to get everyone.
The article says the the FBI wants using Tor or other concealment alone to be enough evidence for a warrant. If you use Tor, they can get a warrant to hack you because criminals often use Tor. That's like saying if you lock your door, the police can get a warrant to search your home because criminals often lock their doors.
And you call me some conspiracy nut who makes up bullshit? Have I not provided evidence to back up my claims wherever I can? Am I wrong to resent government agencies like the NSA and FBI knowing the kind of things that they do? Things likethe NSA collecting info on millions of Americans without a warrant orthe Department of Homeland Security detaining and harassing journalists who cover things like the Iraq War orthe Department of Defense considering protesting a form of low-level terrorism orthe FBI encouraging people to commit acts of terrorism to they can arrest them later. Or are these just conspiracy theories?
I think these are things that are very concerning and shouldn't happen in a supposedly free society like ours. Despite what others here are saying, these kinds of things do matter and people should care. For caring about these things I am labeled a "conspiracy theorist" like I wear a tin foil hat to make sure signals don't get into my brain or something.
he praises the government bud its a loss cause trying to get him to understand
Aug 28, 2016, 09:01 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 08:57 PM)thefaketaco Wrote: [ -> ](Aug 28, 2016, 08:07 PM)Kung Fury Wrote: [ -> ](Aug 28, 2016, 06:53 PM)Venom Wrote: [ -> ]It states in this article that they need a warrant to do it. Sure they most likely still do it without warrants, but obviously that's not going to be stated. Your first argument doesn't really relate to this. They'd need a warrant to search my house unless I gave them permission, just like with going into other's computers. From what I get from this, you're some anti-government conspiracy theorist who thinks the government is Big Brother and is out to get everyone.
The article says the the FBI wants using Tor or other concealment alone to be enough evidence for a warrant. If you use Tor, they can get a warrant to hack you because criminals often use Tor. That's like saying if you lock your door, the police can get a warrant to search your home because criminals often lock their doors.
And you call me some conspiracy nut who makes up bullshit? Have I not provided evidence to back up my claims wherever I can? Am I wrong to resent government agencies like the NSA and FBI knowing the kind of things that they do? Things likethe NSA collecting info on millions of Americans without a warrant orthe Department of Homeland Security detaining and harassing journalists who cover things like the Iraq War orthe Department of Defense considering protesting a form of low-level terrorism orthe FBI encouraging people to commit acts of terrorism to they can arrest them later. Or are these just conspiracy theories?
I think these are things that are very concerning and shouldn't happen in a supposedly free society like ours. Despite what others here are saying, these kinds of things do matter and people should care. For caring about these things I am labeled a "conspiracy theorist" like I wear a tin foil hat to make sure signals don't get into my brain or something.
he praises the government bud its a loss cause trying to get him to understand
Lol. I don't praise the government. I just think if you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't have to worry about anything. All governments are spying on their own people and conducting surveillance. I just don't care because what info are they going to get from me? That I go on my computer and check this website, reddit, facebook, etc and then go to work? Not that interesting.
Aug 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 04:08 PM)Jono Wrote: [ -> ](Aug 28, 2016, 02:44 PM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Little story to prove George:
Cousin browsing porn
Accidentally sees child porn by clicking a link
Not even a full 5 seconds before he goes back and refreshes the google searches to leave the page
In 1 hour, he's given a house call by Mandeville SWAT
They do already have access, and sometimes they will use that info if not in the present, the future.
So the police sent a SWAT team to deal with your cousin whom opened a link for 5 seconds? Either your story is bullshit, or his is...What happened to him afterwards then?
Fuck if I know. All I knew was that a small local law enforcement team breached his house and detained him, my aunt, and another cousin. You'd be suprised what SWAT get called for.
Aug 28, 2016, 09:24 PM
not tor pls, i go on cp using tor
Aug 28, 2016, 09:26 PM
(Aug 28, 2016, 09:24 PM)Noot Noot Wrote: [ -> ]not tor pls, i go on cp using torme too dood :
club penguin one of my favorite games :'(
Aug 28, 2016, 09:40 PM
Aug 28, 2016, 10:00 PM
+support, take down more criminals. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear - I would gladly let police search my home without a warrant because there is nothing illegal.
Aug 29, 2016, 12:26 AM
Well, i once was in Deep Web when i was 13-14 and i accidently gone too deep into it that i saw shit that i never should see
but since then i have nothing to hide from the goverment since i live in Germany
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but since then i have nothing to hide from the goverment since i live in Germany
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