Your Name: Codeq
Issued by: [font=open_sansregular, Arial, sans-serif][L²] Blackdog[/font]
Blacklist ID: 67206
Server: v33x
Why should you be unblacklisted?: There was a ton of background to the arrest that was not included in the blacklist. We didn't just come up to a random guy and arrest him. He failed to include the part of the video where he was being a complete asshole to us, calling names, etc. Since "calling names" is not a law, as corrupt cops, we decided to do something about it. That's why I decide to plant drugs on him to get revenge. The arrest reason WAS valid, whether we were corrupt or not. Half of the blacklist is a complete lie. Half of the text for the reason of me being blacklisted is that I was "rushing into a house to plant evidence to instantly arrest a player." That's completely wrong. We carried out an entire RP situation that 99% of the times would never happen. We took him to the Nexus, brought him to jails, and arrested him. I didn't just run into his house and arrest-stick him.
Evidence: The video can be shown, although he chose to exclude the part that shows him talking shit to us. He banned us without asking for our reasons or looking deeper into the case, and it's clear that he's biased because he decided to post on most of my recent threads because he doesn't like shitposting on off topic.
NOTE: I'd like to add that I'd like for another admin to re-open the PR put on me so that they can review it, as well as another admin to take care of this thread.
The staff-members have received your unblacklist-request, Codeq.
It will take a while for it to be reviewed.
(Jun 21, 2016, 03:51 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ]Your Name: Codeq
Issued by: [font=open_sansregular, Arial, sans-serif][L²] Blackdog[/font]
Blacklist ID: 67206
Server: v33x
Why should you be unblacklisted?: There was a ton of background to the arrest that was not included in the blacklist. We didn't just come up to a random guy and arrest him. He failed to include the part of the video where he was being a complete asshole to us, calling names, etc. Since "calling names" is not a law, as corrupt cops, we decided to do something about it. That's why I decide to plant drugs on him to get revenge. The arrest reason WAS valid, whether we were corrupt or not. Half of the blacklist is a complete lie. Half of the text for the reason of me being blacklisted is that I was "rushing into a house to plant evidence to instantly arrest a player."That's completely wrong. We carried out an entire RP situation that 99% of the times would never happen.
Within the provided video, did you or did you not rush into the house the moment the door opens and spawn down weed to incriminate him?
From what I see in the video and via the logs, youve run into his house and provided no RP other than "Hurp durp redneck corrupt durp"
You did one single /me, and that was to powergame and say you found weed that was already there, not that you planted the weed and then found it.
Whatever happened prior to the video that lead to you guys doing this to him, the event in itself is what you we're hit up for, you failed to properly RP basicly anything there, did an action that is tantamount to powergameing, and then used that to arrest someone you did not like.
Arrests may be IC, but you can cross a point where it becomes failRP. Rushing into a home after the door opens, saying you find weed after you spawn some in, and then useing that to arrest someone without proper RP in the situation, is line you crossed
We took him to the Nexus, brought him to jails, and arrested him. I didn't just run into his house and arrest-stick him.
You took him to the jails yes, but the entire situation before that had invalidated the entire action you had sought to do in the first place.
Evidence: The video can be shown, although he chose to exclude the part that shows him talking shit to us. He banned us without asking for our reasons or looking deeper into the case, and it's clear that he's biased because he decided to post on most of my recent threads because he doesn't like shitposting on off topic.
NOTE: I'd like to add that I'd like for another admin to re-open the PR put on me so that they can review it, as well as another admin to take care of this thread.
Quote:Within the provided video, did you or did you not rush into the house the moment the door opens and spawn down weed to incriminate him?
From what I see in the video and via the logs, youve run into his house and provided no RP other than "Hurp durp redneck corrupt durp"
You did one single /me, and that was to powergame and say you found weed that was already there, not that you planted the weed and then found it.
Whatever happened prior to the video that lead to you guys doing this to him, the event in itself is what you we're hit up for, you failed to properly RP basicly anything there, did an action that is tantamount to powergameing, and then used that to arrest someone you did not like.
Arrests may be IC, but you can cross a point where it becomes failRP. Rushing into a home after the door opens, saying you find weed after you spawn some in, and then useing that to arrest someone without proper RP in the situation, is line you crossed
Yes, I "rushed" into the house. I don't see a rule that says coming into a house quickly is not allowed.
From what you see in the video, sure, but thats because he manipulated his video to incriminate me.
Doing a /me that says I'm looking in the couch is not powergaming. Doing "/me finds weed in the couch" is powergaming. I was just adding a bit to the RP that says I'm looking through the couch so they dont think I'm just sitting there staring at a couch.
I did not break a single rule. I was RPing as corrupt, and have done similar things to players that are disrespecting or being uncooperative in an otherwise normal traffic stop or whatever. I fail to see any sort of rule-breaking.
Also, I'm going to give you an analogy to compare this so it shows how ridiculous your approval of the PR was.
Say someone posts a thread that has a video of a player shooting them. The person says that they RDMed them.
The admin then posts "approved, player was RDMing"
The player, who indeed had a reason, just got banned because nobody showed what happened beforehand. That's what you just did. You didn't take previous RP into account when making your decision.
(Jun 21, 2016, 04:10 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Within the provided video, did you or did you not rush into the house the moment the door opens and spawn down weed to incriminate him?
From what I see in the video and via the logs, youve run into his house and provided no RP other than "Hurp durp redneck corrupt durp"
You did one single /me, and that was to powergame and say you found weed that was already there, not that you planted the weed and then found it.
Whatever happened prior to the video that lead to you guys doing this to him, the event in itself is what you we're hit up for, you failed to properly RP basicly anything there, did an action that is tantamount to powergameing, and then used that to arrest someone you did not like.
Arrests may be IC, but you can cross a point where it becomes failRP. Rushing into a home after the door opens, saying you find weed after you spawn some in, and then useing that to arrest someone without proper RP in the situation, is line you crossed
Yes, I "rushed" into the house. I don't see a rule that says coming into a house quickly is not allowed.
From what you see in the video, sure, but thats because he manipulated his video to incriminate me.
Doing a /me that says I'm looking in the couch is not powergaming. Doing "/me finds weed in the couch" is powergaming.
You did one /me, and instantly found weed that was not there prior, spawning down some to enable to you find an object that did not exist, you did not add the /me finds weed, but instead just spawned the item itself. Its the same thing but a different method
v33x
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Codeq
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used command: me searches in the couch.
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Codeq
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said: /inventory weed drop 1
Quote:You did one /me, and instantly found weed that was not there prior, spawning down some to enable to you find an object that did not exist, you did not add the /me finds weed, but instead just spawned the item itself. Its the same thing but a different method
BlackDog, I did the /me to show everyone that I'm doing an act of searching through a couch to clarify why I was standing there. If you're a corrupt cop, you at least PRETEND to search it, rather than just pulling it out of your pocket. And yes, BlackDog, I did spawn it. I don't know any other way to place an item from my inventory onto a prop.
At the current time I have nothing more to say, you handled the entire situation improperly and powergamed/failRPed.
I will have another staff overlook this UBL as you have requested
Just to butt in real quick, you need to state you are planting something. If not, you are just taking something out of your inventory (which gives no message of your actions) and placing it in a scene to force the RP. A simple "/me plants bag of weed in couch" could have solved this problem.
(Jun 21, 2016, 05:42 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Just to butt in real quick, you need to state you are planting something. If not, you are just taking something out of your inventory (which gives no message of your actions) and placing it in a scene to force the RP. A simple "/me plants bag of weed in couch" could have solved this problem.
I could have added that, sure. But the thing is, it was made clear exactly what I was doing. The owner of the house did, pony did, I did, everyone knew I was planting it on him. It hardly makes a difference.
Also, there's no way not adding that I planted weed is grounds for a blacklist. I could've RPed it better but there is no situation where I could see someone getting a 7 hour blacklist for that.
(Jun 21, 2016, 05:48 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 21, 2016, 05:42 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Just to butt in real quick, you need to state you are planting something. If not, you are just taking something out of your inventory (which gives no message of your actions) and placing it in a scene to force the RP. A simple "/me plants bag of weed in couch" could have solved this problem.
I could have added that, sure. But the thing is, it was made clear exactly what I was doing. The owner of the house did, pony did, I did, everyone knew I was planting it on him. It hardly makes a difference.
Also, there's no way not adding that I planted weed is grounds for a blacklist. I could've RPed it better but there is no situation where I could see someone getting a 7 hour blacklist for that.
You ran into his house as soon as the door opened and immediately typed "/me searches the couch". How does that show you are planting an item in the couch? It states you are searching it, not planting evidence. Another question, why the couch? Why did you have to plant the evidence as SOON as the player opened the door?
My thing is, you are role playing as a corrupt cop, yet your job title doesn't state this. It seems to me you should have changed your title before this entire event even occurred.
(Jun 21, 2016, 05:54 PM)SirWulf Wrote: [ -> ]My thing is, you are role playing as a corrupt cop, yet your job title doesn't state this. It seems to me you should have changed your title before this entire event even occurred.
Soviet has teleported to me before when I had my job as "Corrupt Cop." He told me that it was unnecessary. Ever since he's told me this, I've stopped putting corrupt in my job title.
EDIT: I'd like to add that this is not the reason I was blacklisted either, and I've gotten mixed responses from admins on the topic. I know for sure that Soviet told me that I don't HAVE to.
(Jun 21, 2016, 12:27 PM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 21, 2016, 05:48 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 21, 2016, 05:42 AM)Soviethooves Wrote: [ -> ]Just to butt in real quick, you need to state you are planting something. If not, you are just taking something out of your inventory (which gives no message of your actions) and placing it in a scene to force the RP. A simple "/me plants bag of weed in couch" could have solved this problem.
I could have added that, sure. But the thing is, it was made clear exactly what I was doing. The owner of the house did, pony did, I did, everyone knew I was planting it on him. It hardly makes a difference.
Also, there's no way not adding that I planted weed is grounds for a blacklist. I could've RPed it better but there is no situation where I could see someone getting a 7 hour blacklist for that.
You ran into his house as soon as the door opened and immediately typed "/me searches the couch". How does that show you are planting an item in the couch? It states you are searching it, not planting evidence. Another question, why the couch? Why did you have to plant the evidence as SOON as the player opened the door?
Because I clearly dropped the item down after I did it, showing him that I was corrupt. I could have done that too, but I don't think that I should get banned for not saying that I planted it when everyone knew thats what I did. We had already had previous altercations that the video did not include. We didn't just run up to the house and plant evidence, and that's what the PR failed to provide. It's unfair, you guys aren't taking any background RP into account when making your decision.
Ok, BlackDog has requested that I look into this case as you wised for another member to review this case, which is what is going to go on in my post below. Please do note I have also looked into the player report as well.
Now here is my verdict. I do agree with the punishment given and the reasons given by BlackDog. The reasons why this punishment is valid have been said in the player report, and is clearly stated in the reason of the blacklist reason. In the videos we can all see multiple rules being broken. First off, you run straight into the house without a warrant, and instantly plant the weed. Then as BlackDog has said when he represented the logs, was powergaming. You did not know the weed was placed there. You planted the weed there with no RP intent and made the roleplay situation go the way you wanted it to. Then you proceeded to arrested him for something that you had powergamed into the roleplaying situation.
The FailRP, invalid valid reason to arrest and the rest I do agree with. I will also add 'Powergaming' to the reason.
As for the UBL, this will be denied.