Let's talk about the Orlando Shooting that happened in the night of June 12th.
An American-born man who'd pledged allegiance to ISIS gunned down 49 people early Sunday at a gay nightclub in Orlando, the deadliest mass shooting in the United States and the nation's worst terror attack since 9/11, authorities said.
* The gunman, Omar Mateen, 29, of Fort Pierce, Florida, was interviewed by the FBI in 2013 and 2014 but was not found to be a threat, the FBI said.
* Mateen called 911 during the attack to pledge allegiance to ISIS and mentioned the Boston Marathon bombers, according to a U.S. official.
* Orlando police shot and killed Mateen.
* Mateen's ex-wife said she thinks he was mentally ill.
Mateen carried an assault rifle and a pistol into the packed Pulse club about 2 a.m. Sunday and started shooting, killing 49 people and wounding at least 53, officials said.
After a standoff of about three hours, while people trapped inside the club desperately called and messaged friends and relatives, police crashed into the building with an armored vehicle and stun grenades and killed Mateen.
"It appears he was organized and well-prepared," Orlando Police Chief John Mina said early Sunday. Authorities said they haven't found any accomplices.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/or...-shooting/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016....html?_r=0
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06...er-omar-m/
Horrific. My thoughts goes to the victims and their close ones.
It's horribe. Mass shootings tend to remind me of MAC-10's, sawed off guns, people's parent's guns and trenchcoats. Oh also, being "Bullied". Columbine *cough cough* sorry, meant to say combine them and you have a school shooting.
On a serious note, away from my extremely bad humour, I'm glad Sweden does not have this shit. Sure, some fuck killed 2 people in a school using a sword last year, but. I personally only recognize america for these kinds of violence. Hope the ones who died's relatives are okay.
(Jun 13, 2016, 07:55 PM)Realize Wrote: [ -> ]It's horribe. Mass shootings tend to remind me of MAC-10's, sawed off guns, people's parent's guns and trenchcoats. Oh also, being "Bullied". Columbine *cough cough* sorry, meant to say combine them and you have a school shooting.
On a serious note, away from my extremely bad humour, I'm glad Sweden does not have this shit. Sure, some fuck killed 2 people in a school using a sword last year, but. I personally only recognize america for these kinds of violence. Hope the ones who died's relatives are okay.
A fucking sword? that's badass
And yet some Americans say there isn't a gun problem.....
I find this very horrific, some of this could have been prevented with stricter gun control but hopefully this will wake America up to the realisation of the things that can happen when you let people easily have access to weapons, my thoughts go to the victims friends and family, I can only imagine the trouble they will be going through.
(Jun 13, 2016, 09:50 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ]And yet some Americans say there isn't a gun problem.....
In reality there isn't a "gun problem"
Think of this logically, the US federal and state government(s) are trying to get rid of handguns and automatic weapons from being purchased within U.S. soil. Now, think of it this way, let's say someone who was in the club had a conceal carry permit and had their handgun on them. They could've stopped the shooter before he killed the 50 people that he did. Now how the shooter got the weapon, he got it legally. That does need to change. Personally, I believe if every U.S. citizen was armed (not including anyone who has any mental illness for obvious reasons) then these mass shootings could stop. Take Alaska for example. Literally 95% of the population in Alaska is armed. There is
nearly NO shootings at all. Now you could argue that having no weapons
legally allowed to be purchased is a good idea, and there is some evidence to support that. For example, South Korea's murder rate in it's capital with 10 million people (more than NYC) is about 1%, sometimes one murder per year.
But to conclude, I believe that if every American was armed and allowed to carry legally, then these shootings wouldn't have so many deaths. Even if weapons are banned, they're going to find a way to bring them in via Black Markets like the deep web, and so forth.
OT: My deepest regards to the victims and family of the victims. May all the victims rest in peace.
(Jun 13, 2016, 09:50 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ]And yet some Americans say there isn't a gun problem.....
Gun control didn't stop muslim terrorists to attack Paris and Brussel. This isn't a gun problem but a racidal islam/ islamist problem. The shooter attacked the gay club because of his beliefs, and there are plenty of people on social media supporting him for it.
I know an agnostic girl with a muslim mother and grandmother. They were watching the news as this topic came up, to which both her mom and grandmother said: "It's just the gays, it doesn't matter". This absolutely sickens me.
Now label me Islamophobe for voicing an unpopular opinion and spreading hate, as subjecitvely offensive opinions aren't allowed anymore in 2016.
(Jun 13, 2016, 10:11 PM)Adam James Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 13, 2016, 09:50 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ]And yet some Americans say there isn't a gun problem.....
In reality there isn't a "gun problem"
Think of this logically, the US federal and state government(s) are trying to get rid of handguns and automatic weapons from being purchased within U.S. soil. Now, think of it this way, let's say someone who was in the club had a conceal carry permit and had their handgun on them. They could've stopped the shooter before he killed the 50 people that he did. Now how the shooter got the weapon, he got it legally. That does need to change. Personally, I believe if every U.S. citizen was armed (not including anyone who has any mental illness for obvious reasons) then these mass shootings could stop. Take Alaska for example. Literally 95% of the population in Alaska is armed. There is nearly NO shootings at all. Now you could argue that having no weapons legally allowed to be purchased is a good idea, and there is some evidence to support that. For example, South Korea's murder rate in it's capital with 10 million people (more than NYC) is about 1%, sometimes one murder per year.
But to conclude, I believe that if every American was armed and allowed to carry legally, then these shootings wouldn't have so many deaths. Even if weapons are banned, they're going to find a way to bring them in via Black Markets like the deep web, and so forth.
OT: My deepest regards to the victims and family of the victims. May all the victims rest in peace.
You think that in a situation like this, ordinary civilians will automatically have the ability to engage a gunman? Most people who own a gun rarely shoot it and if they do, they only do it at gun ranges. If someone were to pull out a gun and return fire, there is a bigger chance of them hitting innocent people than actually wounding the gunman. Also take into account that many shooters are starting to wear kevlar too.
The answer to gun violence is not 'more guns'. Just because someone isn't crazy now, doesn't mean that some traumatic experience won't occur which will flip them into shooting up the nearest shopping mall, school, or other heavily populated area. America needs to sort who can own and gun and do regular checks to make sure these weapons are being properly stored and the person who owns them is given proper background checks on a semi-regular basis.
The 2nd Amendment is arguably the most ludicrous right that Americans believe in. This isn't 1791, we British folk aren't coming back with our muskets, you don't need to arm yourselves. The US government has drones that can be controlled thousands of miles away on an aircraft carrier. You'd stand no chance in a revolution and it would never ever come to that anyway. That is why I don't understand the need to buy all these weapons? Self defence? An AR-15 isn't a weapon that is needed for home security, nor is a 12 Gauge shotgun. So why sell them?
The US has 6 times the population of the UK but 57 times the number of homicides involving weapons.
(Souces:
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/regio...ed-kingdom |
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states |
https://country-facts.findthedata.com/co...ed-Kingdom )
(Jun 14, 2016, 12:28 AM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 13, 2016, 09:50 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ]And yet some Americans say there isn't a gun problem.....
Gun control didn't stop muslim terrorists to attack Paris and Brussel. This isn't a gun problem but a racidal islam/ islamist problem. The shooter attacked the gay club because of his beliefs, and there are plenty of people on social media supporting him for it.
I know an agnostic girl with a muslim mother and grandmother. They were watching the news as this topic came up, to which both her mom and grandmother said: "It's just the gays, it doesn't matter". This absolutely sickens me.
Now label me Islamophobe for voicing an unpopular opinion and spreading hate, as subjecitvely offensive opinions aren't allowed anymore in 2016.
How many schools get shot up in Paris and Brussels? Weapons were smuggled across the border from the Balkans due to Europe's Schengen Area which means there are no manned border crossings. Hence why a lot of Europe has now implemented heavily patrolled and armed border crossings in the wake of these attacks (and there hasn't been one since Brussels). None of the guns used in the Paris attacks were purchased in France.
An attack like this is a very rare occurrence in France and Belgium and yet is a very common sight in the United States. While this specific attack was aimed and carried out on the LGBT community, that doesn't change the fact in how he easily obtained the weapons, and how often mass shootings occur in the United States overall.
I'll make a post in the Serious Discussion subforum later about gun control and see if any Limelight members want to discuss the matter.
(Sources:
https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/wh...dex_en.htm |
https://time.com/how-europes-terrorists-get-their-guns/ )
(Jun 14, 2016, 03:03 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 14, 2016, 12:28 AM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 13, 2016, 09:50 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ]And yet some Americans say there isn't a gun problem.....
Gun control didn't stop muslim terrorists to attack Paris and Brussel. This isn't a gun problem but a racidal islam/ islamist problem. The shooter attacked the gay club because of his beliefs, and there are plenty of people on social media supporting him for it.
I know an agnostic girl with a muslim mother and grandmother. They were watching the news as this topic came up, to which both her mom and grandmother said: "It's just the gays, it doesn't matter". This absolutely sickens me.
Now label me Islamophobe for voicing an unpopular opinion and spreading hate, as subjecitvely offensive opinions aren't allowed anymore in 2016.
How many schools get shot up in Paris and Brussels? Weapons were smuggled across the border from the Balkans due to Europe's Schengen Area which means there are no manned border crossings. Hence why a lot of Europe has now implemented heavily patrolled and armed border crossings in the wake of these attacks (and there hasn't been one since Brussels). None of the guns used in the Paris attacks were purchased in France.
An attack like this is a very rare occurrence in France and Belgium and yet is a very common sight in the United States. While this specific attack was aimed and carried out on the LGBT community, that doesn't change the fact in how he easily obtained the weapons, and how often mass shootings occur in the United States overall.
I'll make a post in the Serious Discussion subforum later about gun control and see if any Limelight members want to discuss the matter.
(Sources: https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/wh...dex_en.htm | https://time.com/how-europes-terrorists-get-their-guns/ )
Fair points, I do agree gun control is a big problem in the US, however, these terrorists manage to get guns into the best controlled gun law countries of the world. I'll check out the articles tomorrow as it's 3am here now
(Jun 14, 2016, 03:19 AM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 14, 2016, 03:03 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 14, 2016, 12:28 AM)Maniac Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun 13, 2016, 09:50 PM)George Wrote: [ -> ]And yet some Americans say there isn't a gun problem.....
Gun control didn't stop muslim terrorists to attack Paris and Brussel. This isn't a gun problem but a racidal islam/ islamist problem. The shooter attacked the gay club because of his beliefs, and there are plenty of people on social media supporting him for it.
I know an agnostic girl with a muslim mother and grandmother. They were watching the news as this topic came up, to which both her mom and grandmother said: "It's just the gays, it doesn't matter". This absolutely sickens me.
Now label me Islamophobe for voicing an unpopular opinion and spreading hate, as subjecitvely offensive opinions aren't allowed anymore in 2016.
How many schools get shot up in Paris and Brussels? Weapons were smuggled across the border from the Balkans due to Europe's Schengen Area which means there are no manned border crossings. Hence why a lot of Europe has now implemented heavily patrolled and armed border crossings in the wake of these attacks (and there hasn't been one since Brussels). None of the guns used in the Paris attacks were purchased in France.
An attack like this is a very rare occurrence in France and Belgium and yet is a very common sight in the United States. While this specific attack was aimed and carried out on the LGBT community, that doesn't change the fact in how he easily obtained the weapons, and how often mass shootings occur in the United States overall.
I'll make a post in the Serious Discussion subforum later about gun control and see if any Limelight members want to discuss the matter.
(Sources: https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/wh...dex_en.htm | https://time.com/how-europes-terrorists-get-their-guns/ )
Fair points, I do agree gun control is a big problem in the US, however, these terrorists manage to get guns into the best controlled gun law countries of the world. I'll check out the articles tomorrow as it's 3am here now
Yeah, that is where the Schengen Area has failed Europe and another reason why the UK refuses to enter it.
*sigh* These radicals really don't help their case.
Thoughts go out to all the victims' families, but also the families who'll now be targeted in retaliation to this man's actions.
Blah blah blah America, blah blah blah shooting. A man under the watch of the FBI was able to purchase 2 weapons and carry them into a public place to commit a heinous crime. Hilary Clinton is nothing but the same, Under watch of the FBI, but still allowed to run for President, God bless America.
(Jun 14, 2016, 03:03 AM)George Wrote: [ -> ]The 4th Amendment is arguably the most ludicrous right that Americans believe in. This isn't 1791, we British folk aren't coming back with our muskets, you don't need to arm yourselves. The US government has drones that can be controlled thousands of miles away on an aircraft carrier. You'd stand no chance in a revolution and it would never ever come to that anyway. That is why I don't understand the need to buy all these weapons? Self defence? An AR-15 isn't a weapon that is needed for home security, nor is a 12 Gauge shotgun. So why sell them?
So you're saying that American's right to avoid unlawful search and
seizures is "ludicrous"?
I believe since you are talking about firearms in that paragraph that you meant the 2nd amendment. And I do agree with you, on the concept of buying an AR-15 for home defense. In reality, you'd really only need at the least a .22 LR. What I was saying however is that if more citizens are armed, the more these mass shootings could stop as the citizen could pull their weapon and take the shooter down. Anyways, I do not believe this is the right thread to debate this.
Going by
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36522570
The shooter was no longer on the FBI watch list after the investigations into him were concluded, which meant that weapons could legally be purchased. Even being on an FBI watchlist wouldn't have resulted in him being barred from purchasing guns.
If anything as it seems the US isn't going to ban guns anytime soon, more checks should be put into place for the purchase of weapons.