Name of Player: TheFakeTaco and Sgt Donut
SteamID: Donut: STEAM_0:0:51063530 Taco: STEAM_0:1:93997443
Server: Which server did it happen on? v33x
Time: What time did it happen? 1AM
Summary: They stole my car, and I found it. Since I didn't want to be an aggressive asshole and bust in with a shotgun, I called the police. They killed the SWAT that raided (only 1 gov't member on). And I came closer to see if the SWAT member killed anyone. Soon after, the two killed both I and Bacoon. We were both unarmed. It was clear RDM, and if anything, they should have put us under FearRP or something and hostage us. There was no reason to open fire on 2 unarmed civilians.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/bAhx-7MOspE
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Hello, I'm Bacoon as stated above in the BR I was there... Codeq got his car stolen (people who stole car job was still citizen) and we went looking for it. Since Codeq job was citizen he didn't take matters in his own hand he contacted the police like any civilian one he showed up the officer wanted to talk with them. No one answered so the officer went in and they just wen't on a rampage just shot the swat guy and then decided to come out and fire on me and Codeq. So in my opinion it was just an RDM
Both accused players have 24 hours to respond to this thread and provide reasoning on why they opened fire.
Let me state why we killed them. I was by the car when I heard a police car roll up. Donut was inside and also heard it. We did not know [IC] that the SWAT came by himself and that Bacoon and Codeq came together. What we though is that they were working together so first the SWAT comes in dies. We come out and start shooting Codeq since we thought he came with the SWAT. Bacoon ran away and from what I heard started equipping ammo. We shot him because I told him "I think hes equipping"
"Codeq got his car stolen (people who stole car job was still citizen)" Please don't lie in the courthouse. Donut and I changed out job to Chop Shop BEFORE taking Codeq's car. We changed jobs at industrial, headed to lake saw the ferrari and took it.
"If anything they should've put us under fearrp or something and hostage us" -Codeq. Chop Shop doesn't allow you to hostage people. Definition of Chop Shop - a place where stolen vehicles are dismantled so that the parts can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles - This clearly does not allow us to hostage both of you.
I would also like to address that Codeq metagamed knowing that his car was in our base. How did he know? He might not be the only one with a Red Ferrari thats very common color for a ferrari. Our material made it virutally impossible for you to read the licence plate. Metagame much?
Quote:Codeq. Chop Shop doesn't allow you to hostage people. Definition of Chop Shop - a place where stolen vehicles are dismantled so that the parts can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles - This clearly does not allow us to hostage both of you.
So hostaging is not okay, but shooting and killing two citizens is. This makes no sense.
Quote:I would also like to address that Codeq metagamed knowing that his car was in our base. How did he know? He might not be the only one with a Red Ferrari thats very common color for a ferrari. Our material made it virutally impossible for you to read the licence plate. Metagame much?
I knew my car was there, because I saw it. I could see the license plate above the wall, and stood on Bacoon's Transit to confirm.
(May 18, 2016, 04:25 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Codeq. Chop Shop doesn't allow you to hostage people. Definition of Chop Shop - a place where stolen vehicles are dismantled so that the parts can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles - This clearly does not allow us to hostage both of you.
So hostaging is not okay, but shooting and killing two citizens is. This makes no sense.
Quote:I would also like to address that Codeq metagamed knowing that his car was in our base. How did he know? He might not be the only one with a Red Ferrari thats very common color for a ferrari. Our material made it virutally impossible for you to read the licence plate. Metagame much?
I knew my car was there, because I saw it. I could see the license plate above the wall, and stood on Bacoon's Transit to confirm.
I was watching the walls the whole time didnt see you guys peek through
(May 18, 2016, 04:29 AM)thefaketaco Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:25 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Codeq. Chop Shop doesn't allow you to hostage people. Definition of Chop Shop - a place where stolen vehicles are dismantled so that the parts can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles - This clearly does not allow us to hostage both of you.
So hostaging is not okay, but shooting and killing two citizens is. This makes no sense.
Quote:I would also like to address that Codeq metagamed knowing that his car was in our base. How did he know? He might not be the only one with a Red Ferrari thats very common color for a ferrari. Our material made it virutally impossible for you to read the licence plate. Metagame much?
I knew my car was there, because I saw it. I could see the license plate above the wall, and stood on Bacoon's Transit to confirm.
I was watching the walls the whole time didnt see you guys peek through
Try not to make accusations of metagaming unless you have proof. Let's focus on the RDM.
(May 18, 2016, 04:30 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:29 AM)thefaketaco Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:25 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Codeq. Chop Shop doesn't allow you to hostage people. Definition of Chop Shop - a place where stolen vehicles are dismantled so that the parts can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles - This clearly does not allow us to hostage both of you.
So hostaging is not okay, but shooting and killing two citizens is. This makes no sense.
Quote:I would also like to address that Codeq metagamed knowing that his car was in our base. How did he know? He might not be the only one with a Red Ferrari thats very common color for a ferrari. Our material made it virutally impossible for you to read the licence plate. Metagame much?
I knew my car was there, because I saw it. I could see the license plate above the wall, and stood on Bacoon's Transit to confirm.
I was watching the walls the whole time didnt see you guys peek through
Try not to make accusations of metagaming unless you have proof. Let's focus on the RDM.
Id like to know why you snooped around at industrial and not look another place?
In regards to your reply, I will list some points that I have found.
- Bacoon did equip a weapon shortly before you killed him, two weapons in fact, which you stated that you heard the weapon being loaded.
v33x [02:14:39] [L²:RP] Bacoon (STEAM_0:0:70254478) said: /inventory cw_ber_uzi use 1
v33x [02:14:59] [L²:RP] Bacoon (STEAM_0:0:70254478) said: /inventory 12_Gauge use 1
Shortly afterwards, Bacoon is killed by Sgt. Donut.
- Taco and Donut had set their jobs to "Chop Shop" prior to stealing the Ferrari as you can see in the logs here.
v33x [01:54:19] TheFakeTaco (STEAM_0:1:93997443) said: /job Chop Shop
v33x [01:54:21] ★ Sgt.Donut ? (STEAM_0:0:51063530) said: /job Chop Shop
They took control of the Ferrari sometime between when they changed their jobs and
v33x [02:07:33] ★ Sgt.Donut ? (STEAM_0:0:51063530) said: /advert Selling a red Ferrari Cheap /pm donut or /pm taco
- While it would have been better to hostage you guys, they were not in the position to kidnap you. They were car thieves, and you guys witnessed them kill a government official.
- Taco, you accuse them of metagaming in regards to them not knowing it was their Ferrari. However, there is no way I would be able to prove this.
To sum this up, no parties seem at fault for anything unless more statements and evidence comes forward. I will close this within 48 hours if no one has any additional information to add.
EDIT: I have located the approximate time when the Ferrari was stolen due to a statement by Bacoon and the equipping of lockpicks. As you can see by the time, it took place after the job changes
v33x [01:58:10] TheFakeTaco (STEAM_0:1:93997443) said: /inventory cityrp_lockpick use 1
v33x [01:59:02] [L²:RP] Bacoon (STEAM_0:0:70254478) said: Someone just stole your ferarria.......
(May 18, 2016, 04:34 AM)thefaketaco Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:30 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:29 AM)thefaketaco Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:25 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Codeq. Chop Shop doesn't allow you to hostage people. Definition of Chop Shop - a place where stolen vehicles are dismantled so that the parts can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles - This clearly does not allow us to hostage both of you.
So hostaging is not okay, but shooting and killing two citizens is. This makes no sense.
Quote:I would also like to address that Codeq metagamed knowing that his car was in our base. How did he know? He might not be the only one with a Red Ferrari thats very common color for a ferrari. Our material made it virutally impossible for you to read the licence plate. Metagame much?
I knew my car was there, because I saw it. I could see the license plate above the wall, and stood on Bacoon's Transit to confirm.
I was watching the walls the whole time didnt see you guys peek through
Try not to make accusations of metagaming unless you have proof. Let's focus on the RDM.
Id like to know why you snooped around at industrial and not look another place?
What makes you think that we didn't look at other places? Again, if you don't have proof of us doing anything wrong, don't make any accusations. You weren't in the car. You don't know any of the conversations that we had when searching. You're bringing up irrelevant things to the thread and not explaining why it's not okay to hostage, but it's okay to kill two unarmed citizens.
(May 18, 2016, 04:36 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:34 AM)thefaketaco Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:30 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:29 AM)thefaketaco Wrote: [ -> ] (May 18, 2016, 04:25 AM)Codeq Wrote: [ -> ]So hostaging is not okay, but shooting and killing two citizens is. This makes no sense.
I knew my car was there, because I saw it. I could see the license plate above the wall, and stood on Bacoon's Transit to confirm.
I was watching the walls the whole time didnt see you guys peek through
Try not to make accusations of metagaming unless you have proof. Let's focus on the RDM.
Id like to know why you snooped around at industrial and not look another place?
What makes you think that we didn't look at other places? Again, if you don't have proof of us doing anything wrong, don't make any accusations. You weren't in the car. You don't know any of the conversations that we had when searching. You're bringing up irrelevant things to the thread and not explaining why it's not okay to hostage, but it's okay to kill two unarmed citizens.
I can make as many accusations as I want you aren't going to do anything. I have already explained why we killed you, we believed you came with the police officer so we killed you too. Once the SWAT died we went out guns blazing. Since you were a citizen you would've atleast backed up to safe position not just stayed 2 feet behind the SWAT. We killed Bacoon because I thought I heard him equip and we ran after him and killed him too.
Since there will most likely be no more evidence brought to light. I will be departing now
Todaloo!
Quote:I can make as many accusations as I want you aren't going to do anything. I have already explained why we killed you, we believed you came with the police officer so we killed you too. Once the SWAT died we went out guns blazing. Since you were a citizen you would've atleast backed up to safe position not just stayed 2 feet behind the SWAT. We killed Bacoon because I thought I heard him equip and we ran after him and killed him too.
I said to stop making accusations because it's pointless, not because I'll do something about it.
My main point is that I did not have my gun out. I did not know that Bacoon was armed, and can agree that it could have been okay to kill him if he had a gun out. The difference is, I was standing there without a gun and you shot me for no reason. You can't just assume that I have a gun out and am working with the SWAT.
Furthermore, since when do chop shop owners have automatic assault rifles? If an owner of a run-down chop shop has any firearm at all, it would be something like a glock.
Another point is that you weren't even RPing as a proper chop shop. The point of having one is so you can sell the cars. Neither of you would even make a negotiation on getting my car back, and you hardly even have an RP set up, and IMO it is just bait to get people there so you can kill them with your automatic rifles.
All in all:
-Trigger happy. Look at me before you fire at someone who is unarmed.
-FailRP. A basic chop shop wouldn't have 2 heavily armed individuals.
-FailRP again. I tried to work out a price but neither of you would even negotiate.
Do I think a ban for this is a bit harsh? Sure, but I think that a weapons blacklist is definitely reasonable for being trigger-happy and shooting at anyone you see, especially since you both have priors having to do with RDM/weapons.
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May I just point out that if we have the technology to steal a Ferrari 458, looking at it from a IRL POV you would need atleast a lockpick, some sort of alarm jammer, and some type of tracker remover. With that type of tech, it will cost some type of cash. So if we have that much cash for tech, might as well have auto rifles, also don't forget we are protecting a FERRARI so we do need some firepower.
Moreover now to the fact that you said we were not role-playing the chop shop. WE adverted for a Ferrari for sale once we felt that the search for the car had died out. As what most IRL Thieves would do.
Now to the fact that you witnessed me shoot a cop down, you would probably go tell some other cop what happened and we would have the whole police force at out doorstep. For our safety I had to kill you. Also don't forget that IC we don't know if you were armed or not. Baccon was, but that was only because we walked in on him equipping guns.
I'm just clarifying things and not trying to add fuel to the fire.